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Old 11th Jun 2022, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Sorry if this shatters yours, and many others on here, delusions...

Why do migrants leave France and try to cross the English Channel? - BBC News
"Of those that wanted to travel to England more than half (52%), said they already had a family member there. They have a connection to the UK, they speak some English, they have family, they have friends and people in their networks."

Sorry if this shatters your illusions but if they genuinely had family in the UK then that family appear to have done little to make their stay in Calais more comfortable. That family seemed to be quite happy for their relatives to live under a sheet in a squatter camp. That family have been unwilling to try to smuggle them into the UK. That family have been comfortable with the thought of their relatives paying thousands of pounds to people smugglers for the privilege of risking their lives in the world's busiest shipping lanes in a rubber dingy that would be unsafe on a boating lake. That family are never seen waiting for them when they arrive in the UK. That family never seem to house them. That family appear to have never been interviewed. There is no footage of the migrants calling the family to tell them they are on their way.

Why do you think that may be ?

If you still believe the article then I have a bridge I can sell you.

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Old 11th Jun 2022, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
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My apologies. I had assumed English was your first language hence the contents of the link, which directly contradicted your perspective, would be easy to read and understand.

Hopefully, albeit probably in vain, this link will prove more comprehensible for you. I have no recollection of myself, or anybody else, describing France as a "war zone ", other than at a certain recent football match that is.
Seeing as the asylum seekers are mainly coming here directly from France, what else can you mean by "attempting to leave a war zone"?
Yes. their original country of departure may well have been a war zone but surely you must see that that have already left that country and are not "attempting to leave" it.

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Using a passport ?...well aren't you lucky. Of course, when you are attempting to leave a war zone / genocide / political repression / abuse of human rights (albeit the charmless Ms Patel is zealously trying to impose the last two on the UK population) then survival and seeking a place of sanctuary as an asylum seeker / refugee is presumably not something you approve of ?
Regarding the BBC link you posted. Does it or does it not state that the majority of migrants in France want to get to the UK simply because they have family members here?
Having family ties to the UK can be a legitimate reason for an asylum claim so I'll ask again, why can't they make such a claim before arriving here illegally?
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 13:11
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The BBC link goes on to say "As well as language and family ties, some Calais-based migrants told the BBC they wanted to come to the UK due to historic links with their own country".

Perhaps the evils of colonialism are not viewed as such, in the countries in question ?
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 13:59
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As a wrinkly dunderhead myself, I try to understand the educational limitations of those with whom I argue. However, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to accept the seeming belief among recent contributors, that France is the immediate neighbour, geographically, to the various war-torn and/or despotic nations which spawn the influx of refugees which they complain about. I would venture a guess that these unfortunates have travelled through various countries in their quests, yet our contributors appear to see France as the author of what they regard as the "refugee problem".
Simpleton, that I am, I see this as de facto Francophobia - but, I am, of course, open to any explanation as to why this is not so.
There is never any shortage of xenophobes to parade the banner of anti-immigration, from whatever the source, blindly ignoring, or ignorant of, the immense benefits these unwelcomed guests have made to the Nation. Yet we still misrepresent ourselves as 'a kind, caring, compassionate people' - self-deception as its most hypocritical.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 14:23
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Jack, I am far from being a Franco-phobe!! I love the country, (most of) its people, and yes, even its love of the odd mollusc in garlic butter!

I simply have no idea of how many ‘safe’ countries that the refugees pass through to get to France (let’s say N countries) - or indeed the route that they take! But what I do know is that France (country N+1) is the jumping off point for the vast majority of the (illegal) immigrants who risk their lives to reach the UK!! So, I ask once again, what is the draw for reaching ‘Safe Country N+2’ if not for financial benefit?!?
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 14:26
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Originally Posted by OJ 72 View Post
Jack, I am far from being a Franco-phobe!! I love the country, (most of) its people, and yes, even its love of the odd mollusc in garlic butter!

I simply have no idea of how many ‘safe’ countries that the refugees pass through to get to France (let’s say N countries) - or indeed the route that they take! But what I do know is that France (country N+1) is the jumping off point for the vast majority of the (illegal) immigrants who risk their lives to reach the UK!! So, I ask once again, what is the draw for reaching ‘Safe Country N+2’ if not for financial benefit?!?
People coming here to seek Asylum, provided they make themselves known to the authorities upon arrival, are NOT illegal immigrants.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 14:31
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Originally Posted by OJ 72 View Post
Jack, I am far from being a Franco-phobe!! I love the country, (most of) its people, and yes, even its love of the odd mollusc in garlic butter!

I simply have no idea of how many ‘safe’ countries that the refugees pass through to get to France (let’s say N countries) - or indeed the route that they take! But what I do know is that France (country N+1) is the jumping off point for the vast majority of the (illegal) immigrants who risk their lives to reach the UK!! So, I ask once again, what is the draw for reaching ‘Safe Country N+2’ if not for financial benefit?!?
Plus the opportunity to live & function with the minimum of legal paperwork.

Small example: My wife recently fell and broke her wrist. So off to A&E in Budapest.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 14:39
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The proportion of people coming to the UK to seek asylum is actually very small. France, Germany and Greece all accept far higher numbers of asylum applicants than the UK does. In fact France received 3 times as many asylum claims as the UK did last year.

It is a commonly-repeated myth that asylum seekers must claim protection in the first safe country they reach – but it is simply untrue. Under international law, we each have the right to claim asylum, to do this in any country, and to get a fair hearing from that country.

Many people wrongly believe the Dublin regulations require people to claim asylum in the first EU country they reach – again, this simply is not the case. The Dublin regulation sets out a process for EU member states to administer applications - this has no bearing on an individual’s right to claim asylum. And now that the UK has left the EU, these regulations no longer apply.

What is the pull factor?
Lots of job vacancies the local population can't fill perhaps.

According to the DM, if you do get sent to Rwanda you will stay in a four star hotel, more ammunition for the people smugglers.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 14:55
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@Grayfly

The number of migrants that other (larger) countries accept is irrelevant in my view but the argument that irritates me the most is the one that "There are few/no legal ways to seek asylum in the UK". There's no way I can legally acquire a Bugatti Chiron, much as I'd love one. Does that mean it's OK to steal one?
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 15:35
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There's no way I can legally acquire a Bugatti Chiron, much as I'd love one. Does that mean it's OK to steal one?
According to internet searches there are still 40 left in the UK and available for purchase. No need to steal one.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 15:52
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For those who conveniently ignored a link posted earlier, allow me to repost it.

If you actually bother to read it, you may notice if debunks the xenophobic drivel seemingly so popular with those intent trying to defend the indefensible...the UK's stance as demonstrated by the current Gov't.

It always amuses me as to the hypocrisy of those who support these policies.

Many claim to be "patriots", "this great country " proud to be British "....(add any jingoistic superlatives of your choice here) ...and yet, those of us who support the humanitarian efforts and offer of sanctuary to those whose stories will never be truly known, yet have made a conscious and inevitably dangerous, in some cases, sadly, lethal journey to escape conditions that are probably even more lethal in their nations, attract the unrestricted vituperation and condemnation for actually demonstrating the very qualities of the UK, and it's population who care, they claim to be in favour of...and represent..

Not a word of criticism about the unlamented deceased and her generosity towards a dictator however.


The truth about asylum - Refugee Council
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 15:53
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
What is the pull factor?
Family and the Empire...according to the Guardianista brigade.

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Old 11th Jun 2022, 16:16
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They don't come for the money. The UK gives asylum seekers/refugees GBP 6/ day. France gives them 6,80 euros/day
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 16:22
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@ Krystal n chips

Thanks for the link. I'm sure it will provide great comfort for all those less well off who can't get an appointment with their doctor or dentist or find an affordable house to live in.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 16:37
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Thanks for the link. I'm sure it will provide great comfort for all those less well off who can't get an appointment with their doctor or dentist or find an affordable house to live in.
Given your, for some, heart tugging, criteria, I suggest you refer to the UK Politics thread....and the effects of the policies of a populist Gov't " led " by an amoral liar.

The number of asylum seekers / refugees has NO influence or bearing on the standards of living many in the UK have to endure in their daily lives thanks entirely due to policies which are specifically intended to make their lives as fraught and miserable as possible....the DWP excel in this respect.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 17:15
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Send Patel to Rwanda, please!!!!
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 19:36
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Of course he had no intention of doing so, just talked about it.


Whist the UK taxpayer has to pay through the nose now for everything going up in price they also have to fund all the free cross channel escorts, free housing, food, health care etc costing us over £5 million pounds a day given to people who have contributed nothing to this country. Good job we don't have a problem with housing or hospital care etc.
Kings Lynn maybe somewhere where the money could be better spent. As will many other places.


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Old 11th Jun 2022, 20:29
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The number of asylum seekers / refugees has NO influence or bearing on the standards of living many in the UK have to endure in their daily lives thanks entirely due to policies which are specifically intended to make their lives as fraught and miserable as possible....the DWP excel in this respect.
The “Daily Mail” reports that according to a study commissioned by Migrationwatch each illegal immigrant who would be granted asylum in Britain would cost the government 1 million pounds over their lifetime.
I think you should change your stated location from "firmly in the real world" to "firmly in cloud cuckoo land".

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Old 11th Jun 2022, 23:21
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Perhaps we should send parliament to Rwanda whilst the house gets a makeover.
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 07:07
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Originally Posted by CHfour View Post
The “Daily Mail” reports that according to a study commissioned by Migrationwatch each illegal immigrant who would be granted asylum in Britain would cost the government 1 million pounds over their lifetime.
I think you should change your stated location from "firmly in the real world" to "firmly in cloud cuckoo land".
Oh did it ?...possibly this is where the Excess got the "pick a number, any number, so long as it sounds sufficiently high to fuel the myths and keep the bigots happy " from...

A link to support this would be useful therefore.

However, both rags have duly reacted as instructed in today's headlines . And, it appears Boris and Chas will be appearing in person at the Commonwealth meeting in the country in about eight days time....that should produce a nice harmonious atmosphere. It appears the charmless Ms Patel will be busy in the UK however, attempting to override legislation, which is hardly unique for the (non) Tory party and those ever popular "left wing lawyers "....whom Boris doesn't like either...funny that.

Newspaper headlines: 'Stay out of politics Charles' and 'Tories at war over tax cuts' - BBC News

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