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Old 28th Mar 2022, 11:48
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United Nations. Fit for Purpose. Discuss

What have the UN actually done ? A lot of hot air but no action?
North Korea gets away with multiple breaches
Russia gets away with invading a sovereign country

The list goes on and on.

I've seen them in action....or lack of in East Timor. What a waste of money
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 12:31
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Not a lot.

Look at the following UNICEF Board members. All entitled to fly around the world First Class....Africa

Algeria
Chad
Comoros
Côte d'Ivoire
Ethiopia
Liberia
Rwanda
Zimbabwe

Eastern Europe

Estonia
Poland
Russian Federation
Slovakia

Asia

Bangladesh
China
Kazakhstan
Lebanon
Republic of Korea
United Arab Emirates
Yemen


Latin America and Caribbean

Argentina
Costa Rica
Cuba
Grenada
Paraguay
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 12:37
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May we add the WHO to the list of ‘fit for purpose’ discussions too?

Forget follow the science, the WHO just seem follow the politics.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 13:59
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So long as a member of the UN Council has a veto on a situation that affects them, nothing will e done ...
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 14:44
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Not a lot.

Look at the following UNICEF Board members. All entitled to fly around the world First Class....Africa

Algeria
Chad
Comoros
Côte d'Ivoire
Ethiopia
Liberia
Rwanda
Zimbabwe

Eastern Europe

Estonia
Poland
Russian Federation
Slovakia

Asia

Bangladesh
China
Kazakhstan
Lebanon
Republic of Korea
United Arab Emirates
Yemen


Latin America and Caribbean

Argentina
Costa Rica
Cuba
Grenada
Paraguay
One assumes that you inadvertently omitted the following members?

Western Europe and Others

Australia
Belgium
Denmark
France
Germany
Italy
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Sweden
United Kingdom
United States 
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 14:45
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
One assumes that you inadvertently omitted the following members?

Western Europe and Others

Australia
Belgium
Denmark
France
Germany
Italy
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Sweden
United Kingdom
United States 
This^^^^^^^^

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Old 28th Mar 2022, 14:50
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I agree with much of the criticism. But UN is not about what it is NOT but what it IS. And when you look at the General Assembly votes you can see a clear judgement. This is the entire world speaking. And it has had weight versus the most ruthless and brutal characters before. Over time it can change things. It is better to have the UN than to be left without anything like it.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 14:57
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https://www.history.com/topics/world...united-nations


Since its inception, the United Nations has performed numerous humanitarian, environmental and peace-keeping undertakings, including:
  • Providing food to 90 million people in over 75 countries
  • Assisting more than 34 million refugees
  • Authorizing 71 international peacekeeping missions
  • Working with 140 nations to minimize climate change
  • Assisting about 50 countries per year with their elections
  • Providing vaccinations for 58 percent of children in the world
  • Helping about 30 million women a year with maternal health efforts
  • Protecting human rights with 80 treaties and declarations
or you could read https://old.amu.ac.in/newdata/depttmom/15894.pdf
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 15:28
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I am with golfbanana and Less Hair on this: the UN has some strengths, but it is not all things to all people, and it should not be.
Too much power located in too few hands is not something that is good (as various EU opponents will remind you)
As a collective security organization, the UN has some utility, but it is constrained by the veto without which the Powers of the world would never have joined.

It surely has its faults and inefficiencies, but I find the OP's tone to be too dismissive and suffering from a lack of perspective.
It is better to have the UN than to be left without anything like it.
And, as with any collection of bureaucrats, the never ending requirement for vigilance and transparency is needed. That means that it will be criticized, but that's a good thing.
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At least we are free to criticise our Governments and their actions. We won't be imprisoned for 15 years for what a government considers to be fake news.
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At least we are free to criticise our Governments and their actions. We won't be imprisoned for 15 years for what a government considers to be fake news.
Give Patel a chance- I’ve no doubt it’s on her ‘to do’ list!
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 23:46
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What have the UN actually done ? A lot of hot air but no action?
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Russia gets away with invading a sovereign country
So what would you like them to do?
Something that NATO is not doing, perhaps?

I think that I remember Khofi Annan once saying words to the effect "until there is a genuine desire for peace on BOTH sides then there is no point at all in the UN committing peace-keeping forces".
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The U N is what it is It is not what some people would wish and believe it to be
It is not a 'Universal Foreign Legion'. It has no forces, save those which are allocated to it by member States.Its mandates are dependant on the Permanent Members being in agreement.
Above all else, it is a 'forum of last resort' - an essential 'talking shop' in a world which has become inceasingly self-centred and subject to the arrogance of a minority.
In the same way that "Flight Safety is expensive ... until you compare it to the cost of an accident", so, the U N is expensive ..... until .... international disputes need somewhere to talk.
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.Its mandates are dependant on the Permanent Members being in agreement.
And are they ever in agreement? Rarely I would think. So, are they 'fit for purpose'?

In my opinion; No.

I actually consider the UN nothing more than a WOFTAM.

I'm also sure that others will disagree. Feel free to do so.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 09:34
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WARNING: AVIATION CONTENT

Not denying that many of the UN Specialised agencies do good work and even on this forum most would recognise the value of much of the work of ICAO; however...

East Timor, as it was early this century and UNOPS commissioned a new procedure for the NDB, using the current position as the older charts showed the position incorrectly. New procedure designed and check flown and presented to the aviation lead of UNOPS in Dili along with data and a brief on procedures for it to be promulgated. "It will only be available for use by UNOPS aircraft" the design team were told. Reason: UN had paid for it so why should others benefit.

Fast forward a couple of years to 31 Jan 03 and an IL62 crashed a few km short of Bacau flying a dodgy GNSS procedure designed in haste in the cockpit after a couple of failed attempts at an NDB using the old plates BUT the NDB position used in the dodgy design was take from the old plates and not the correct position as shown on the plates commissioned by UNOPS.

The investigators were provided with information on the attitude and significant safety lapse by UNOPS.

And in Kabul in 2008, every UN agency had it's own logistics set up - absolute waste of resources and the cause of much if the traffic chaos.

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