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Old 14th Mar 2022, 13:59
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Originally Posted by DIBO View Post
It's about 'Akkus', so rechargeable batteries, that will have to be replaceable using ordinary tools
Who are you calling a tool?

I await to see the kit on ebay to replace the batteries in a pacemaker or perhaps the EU intends to fit a little flap so you can slot in a new pp3 battery

I know they have ones powered by the body and nuclear ones too BTW
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 14:09
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Who are you calling a tool?

I await to see the kit on ebay to replace the batteries in a pacemaker or perhaps the EU intends to fit a little flap so you can slot in a new pp3 battery
Stitch in a ziploc, job done.
I suppose it could also be done these days with an external wireless charger to keep the internal battery topped up or to provide power directly. Then again, the regulation says you have to be able to use simple tools and a knife is fairly simple.
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 19:07
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 19:55
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
My point was the disparity between legislating against novelty birthday cards while other more pressing issues go unattended.

You buy very novel novelty birthday cards if you get them with rechargeable batteries. All others (existing ones) will be unaffected by this proposal since they are not rechargeable.
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 20:04
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Originally Posted by nomilk View Post
You buy very novel novelty birthday cards if you get them with rechargeable batteries. All others (existing ones) will be unaffected by this proposal since they are not rechargeable.
Replaceable, not necessarily rechargeable
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 20:58
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Replaceable, not necessarily rechargeable
Rechargeable ones have to be replaceable -- novelty cards are probably one of the very few items that have a non-replaceable battery that is also not rechargeable. All German sources quote "Akku" (rechargeable) not "Batterie".

Apart from tech gadgets, this is mainly targeted at electric bikes. Owners should be able to choose independent services or do it themselves.
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 21:11
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Originally Posted by nomilk View Post
Rechargeable ones have to be replaceable -- novelty cards are probably one of the very few items that have a non-replaceable battery that is also not rechargeable. All German sources quote "Akku" (rechargeable) not "Batterie".

Apart from tech gadgets, this is mainly targeted at electric bikes. Owners should be able to choose independent services or do it themselves.
The battery in my phone is rechargeable but it cannot be replaced.
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 21:36
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
The battery in my phone is rechargeable but it cannot be replaced.
But a birthday card has a battery that is NOT rechargeable -- nothing will change for cards.

A phone is a tech gadget, so just as e-bike batteries should be replaceable. Not sure why it is hard to understand that this does not target novelty cards.
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 22:11
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Originally Posted by nomilk View Post
But a birthday card has a battery that is NOT rechargeable -- nothing will change for cards.

A phone is a tech gadget, so just as e-bike batteries should be replaceable. Not sure why it is hard to understand that this does not target novelty cards.
The original reference was tongue in cheek. If all devices are supposed to have replaceable batteries batteries, then you will no longer be able to sell those annoying cards and the world will be a better place.
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
The battery in my phone is rechargeable but it cannot be replaced.
It can be replaced, perhaps you cannot do it yourself, but it can be replaced. Replacement batteries and all the required tooling are easily sourced.
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 23:58
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Before your very eyes you are seeing the value right now of independent sovereign nations coming together when needed and yet retaining their individuality. The EU wants to be a federal blob that decides nothing at all of consequence, whilst interfering constantly in the affairs of its citizens - that's fine and we have left them to it. They want to enact a long list of ridiculous laws concerning a vast array of 'vital subjects', from shapes of imported bananas to the types of light bulbs you can use. They worry about whether British chocolate is chocolatey enough compared to Belgian or French chocolate. They feel they have the right to decide what power your vacuum cleaner should have and now if you should be allowed to have a non-rechargeable battery. The list is endless and I am so glad not to be part of it. However, despite the bureaucratic over-reach that characterises the EU, both the EU and the UK finds themselves in clear and present danger related to a madman from the East. Despite our Prime Minister's deep antagonism towards all things European, we have joined together as one to stand against the shocking threat that is facing us from Russia. We are acting as one when it is necessary to do so. As an independent sovereign nation, however, we only ever wanted to be part of a league of trading nations, rather than a tiny state within a federal entity. If we are blessed to see the end of this crisis intact, I hope the EU will remember we all stood together when it mattered - rather on the infinite range of pathetic differences we have at last freed ourselves of. You should come and join us - it really does work. And when we really need to stand together, we will undoubtedly do so.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 00:35
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Originally Posted by Count of Monte Bisto View Post
...a vast array of 'vital subjects', from shapes of imported bananas ...They worry about whether British chocolate is chocolatey enough compared to Belgian or French chocolate. ...now if you should be allowed to have a non-rechargeable battery.
How to say in ever so many words "I do not understand what I read".

(British chocolate was such low quality due to the cheap fats used, and still, the EU partners were willing to sell the horrible stuff, because of the influence Britain had. Won't happen again, don't worry.)

Your phone has a non-rechargeable battery? Interesting, Russian make?
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 00:42
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Originally Posted by Count of Monte Bisto View Post
and now if you should be allowed to have a non-rechargeable battery.
While the majority of you post is an off-topic rant about your perceieved failings of the EU, I do wish that you would seek to educate yourself as to what the thread is all about.
It has nothing to do with devices that use non-rechargable batteries.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
It can be replaced, perhaps you cannot do it yourself, but it can be replaced. Replacement batteries and all the required tooling are easily sourced.
That is not the point. It is not intended that it should be replaced and it cannot be done without risking damage to the phone. The idea is that batteries should be easily replaced. My first two mobiles came with removable backs and a battery compartment. In fact you had to take the battery out to put the SIM card in.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 08:57
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Count of Monte Cristo. Your post is off topic and in some aspects ill informed. Take it to the Brexit thread and leave the bananas behind, it never happened.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Count of Monte Cristo. Your post is off topic and in some aspects ill informed. Take it to the Brexit thread and leave the bananas behind, it never happened.
Alas, it did. Not the EU's finest hour. It's staggering to realise that the EU taxpayer was funding idiots who determined that a shop may display no more than one hand of 3 bananas per shelf.

C. Presentation The bananas must be presented in hands or clusters (parts of hands) of at least four fingers. Bananas may also be presented as single fingers. Clusters with not more than two missing fingers are allowed, provided that the stalk is not torn but cleanly cut, without damage to the neighbouring fingers. Not more than one cluster of three fingers with the same characteristics as the other fruit in the package may be present per row. In the producing regions, bananas may be marketed by the stem.

Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) No 1333/2011 of 19 December 2011 laying down marketing standards for bananas, rules on the verification of compliance with those marketing standards and requirements for notifications in the banana sector (europa.eu)

Please direct any adverse comments to the body who published the regulations. I know that the ad hominem responses will come flooding in but plus ca change.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 09:49
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I'm not a fan of excessive regulation but I very much favor the idea that batteries should be replaceable. I'm typing this from a Fairphone 3. It's a great concept and works well. I can replace the battery without tools and every other major component such as the screen, the mic, the camera etc with just a screw driver. It uses a micro SD for storage and runs Android. It's also much cheaper than an iphone and does everything I need it to do. The supply chain is as fair and sustainable as it can realistically be in the current globalized world. I wish consumers would buy more of these kind of products, then perhaps it would not have to be refulated at EU/government level.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 09:53
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It's the proliferation of chargers that annoys me. Umpteen different connectors, all supplying the same voltage. Totally pointless.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 10:02
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Nutloose said:


I await to see the kit on ebay to replace the batteries in a pacemaker or perhaps the EU intends to fit a little flap so you can slot in a new pp3 battery

I know they have ones powered by the body and nuclear ones too BTW

Anything that goes in a pacemaker costs at least ten times the price of non-implant parts! (My last 13 years of work before retirement was on radiotelemetry and radiotelecontrol of medical implants)
Nuclear powered pacemakers have not been fitted for over 40 years. They were not popular with the medical people, especially in the US. This is because fitting a new pacemaker when the battery runs out (which has an average of about ten years with limits either way of when it needs to be done lying between about 5 and 20 years) often cost upwards of $250,000 ten years ago. It is quite usual. apparently for the insurance companies to negotiate down to maybe $100,000...but either which way, replacing pacemakers is a nice money spinner for hospitals and surgeons.

However, (Heaven forbid!!) to bring in some aviation content. pacemakers in bulk are still considered a 'Hazardous cargo' by ICAO because of the existence long ago of nuclear powered pacemakers!
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 10:10
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
Alas, it did. Not the EU's finest hour. It's staggering to realise that the EU taxpayer was funding idiots who determined that a shop may display no more than one hand of 3 bananas per shelf.

C. Presentation The bananas must be presented in hands or clusters (parts of hands) of at least four fingers. Bananas may also be presented as single fingers. Clusters with not more than two missing fingers are allowed, provided that the stalk is not torn but cleanly cut, without damage to the neighbouring fingers. Not more than one cluster of three fingers with the same characteristics as the other fruit in the package may be present per row. In the producing regions, bananas may be marketed by the stem.

Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) No 1333/2011 of 19 December 2011 laying down marketing standards for bananas, rules on the verification of compliance with those marketing standards and requirements for notifications in the banana sector (europa.eu)

Please direct any adverse comments to the body who published the regulations. I know that the ad hominem responses will come flooding in but plus ca change.
How else would you define a bunch of bananas for retail.
A shop puts a sign up saying 2/bunch. One bunch has two fingers the other has five. The EU Reg was designed to protect the consumer, that is all.
Same with this battery proposal.
I do not understand this idiotic rhetoric by some, so fixated on their bigotry and xenophobia about Europe that even when the EU does something that quite obviously benefits everyone they still feel the need to have a dig. Nuts!
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