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Old 9th Feb 2022, 21:01
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New car - tunnel vision

We happened to be at a car dealership this afternoon and had to wait around to see the chap we have had dealings with so........ we had a wander around the showroom looking at what is on offer. A salesman invited my wife to look at a hybrid vehicle with all of the latest safety features. I got dragged in and, as usual, my wife suggested I sit inside to see if I had enough headroom as this has been an issue with most previous cars she has taken a liking to. I did sit in BUT I found that sitting as tall as I do (failed to get into RAF due to being too tall when seated for the cockpit on the training aircraft in the late 70s) I had very restricted forward visibility. The top of the windscreen was just above my eye line but the rear view mirror was not. To make matters worse the large mirror was mounted onto a large pod at the top middle area of the windscreen containing some of the smart stuff, cameras etc, which feed the clever gubbings that hit the brakes if it anticipates a collision might happen. My view between the frame at the side of the windscreen and the gubbings pod in the centre was narrower than the width of the bonnet which I could just see to each front corner of. At eye level it was narrower than that, it would be some distance down the road before I could see pedestrians on the footway. The salesman was most offhand suggesting that it was not a serious issue as the car would hit the brakes faster than I might IF it perceived a hazard. I suspect that 45 years of driving has taught me to anticipate hazards more reliably and possibly sooner than all of the bells and whistles in this vehicle. Turnings to that side would also be partly blind.

I am not impressed, especially as it is the Swedish brand that has been pushing the safety message for many, many years.

Rans6...........................
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 21:21
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
We happened to be at a car dealership this afternoon and had to wait around to see the chap we have had dealings with so........ we had a wander around the showroom looking at what is on offer. A salesman invited my wife to look at a hybrid vehicle with all of the latest safety features. I got dragged in and, as usual, my wife suggested I sit inside to see if I had enough headroom as this has been an issue with most previous cars she has taken a liking to. I did sit in BUT I found that sitting as tall as I do (failed to get into RAF due to being too tall when seated for the cockpit on the training aircraft in the late 70s) I had very restricted forward visibility. The top of the windscreen was just above my eye line but the rear view mirror was not. To make matters worse the large mirror was mounted onto a large pod at the top middle area of the windscreen containing some of the smart stuff, cameras etc, which feed the clever gubbings that hit the brakes if it anticipates a collision might happen. My view between the frame at the side of the windscreen and the gubbings pod in the centre was narrower than the width of the bonnet which I could just see to each front corner of. At eye level it was narrower than that, it would be some distance down the road before I could see pedestrians on the footway. The salesman was most offhand suggesting that it was not a serious issue as the car would hit the brakes faster than I might IF it perceived a hazard. I suspect that 45 years of driving has taught me to anticipate hazards more reliably and possibly sooner than all of the bells and whistles in this vehicle. Turnings to that side would also be partly blind.

I am not impressed, especially as it is the Swedish brand that has been pushing the safety message for many, many years.

Rans6...........................
Did you try and drop the seat height?
Most modern cars have the ability to elevate and lower the seat height as a whole without affecting the lumber and recline position.

Can catch you out if you're not aware.

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Old 9th Feb 2022, 21:27
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
We happened to be at a car dealership this afternoon

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Desperation because you can't find THE SMELL ?
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 01:36
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The “tech” that got me were Audi’s door mirrors replace by cameras and a tiny little tv screen mounted in the door instead of somewhere like either side of the instrument panel, the why came into it, what was wrong with the good old clear to see mirror , too draggy? Technology for the sake of technology.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 05:02
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
The “tech” that got me were Audi’s door mirrors replace by cameras and a tiny little tv screen mounted in the door instead of somewhere like either side of the instrument panel, the why came into it, what was wrong with the good old clear to see mirror , too draggy? Technology for the sake of technology.
Sounds like a candidate for the "What Einstein...?" thread.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 07:54
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
...The salesman was most offhand suggesting that it was not a serious issue as the car would hit the brakes faster than I might IF it perceived a hazard...
So he's happy to have people driving in blinders... Of course he is, he's a salesman.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 08:20
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I was thinking along the same lines. Discounting the basics (driver needs to be able to see his surroundings) because a bit of technology might be able to do the same in case of immediate need.... I wonder how the court case will go if you attempt to put the responsibility for the deceased pedestrians on either the safety system or the salesman.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 09:48
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I thought the whole point of dashcams was so that you could review the footage and see what/who you had hit - because there was no way you could have seen it coming through a windscreen obscured by dashcam/satnav/phone/air freshener/teddy bear/old tax disc/residents parking permit/ NT parking permt/disabled badge/old street parking tickets/IAM sticker/etc. (to name a few).
When v young, I talked my parents into a sub for a Swiss motor mag (to improve my French!!), and I still remember a moan about why, with then modern cars having so much more glass area, why was it illegal in Switzerland to have ANY obstruction anywhere on the glass. The answer was elementary:- If the manufacturer has given you improved visibility, it is dangerous to reduce it in any way.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 10:30
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rans, you got it all wrong. With modern driving you're meant to spend more time looking at your smart phone thingy than those things they call "windows".
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 12:17
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I was lucky enough to drive a mate's Jag F-type on several occasions. I likened it to looking out of a postbox.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 12:42
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I have seen people drive around with a TomTom or similar SatNav (it may have been a phone) stuck to the window directly in front of the driver, at eye level.... Perhaps that's why we need all those extra safety systems, so that idiots like that are less likely to hit others.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 16:54
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You must be tall as I am 6ft 2 and drive the mark you hinted at and have not had any issues. As other have said you can lower the seat. If I have a complaint re the windows it is that they are smaller than in my older V70 and when I first drove the new version it seemed very dark until I tried one with a glass sunroof which was much better but at a price !!

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Old 10th Feb 2022, 18:15
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I'm quite short, therefore my view being obstructed by the upper frame of the windscreen is very unlikely.
I detest modern cars though; the width of door pillars in particular, which really do obscure a clear view, and the pointless gadgetry on board. As an earlier poster said, tech for tech's sake.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 19:59
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MrsVj's last Civic had a small camera mounted on the near side mirror. When you indicated the picture was shown on the console screen. I did really like that as the mirror iteself is distorted and a fair way away. The picture was really good and showed the relationship if cars oin the inside lane very well. The new car has fancy radar which just flashes a red light in the cornner of the mirror itself. Not nearly so good.

Progress.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 21:13
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I stand a fairly tall 6'4" but have relatively short legs and long body proportions for someone this tall. I did have the seat lowered to the bottom before getting into it, the OP view is from this position. Don't get me started on headrest position somewhere between my shoulder blades or, at best, at the level of my neck.

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Old 11th Feb 2022, 17:02
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At least your dealer had cars you could look at. I was in VW main dealers in High Wycombe yesterday. They have a big showroom. Only 1 new car for sale. All the rest were second hand. The receptionist was sad at the lack of new cars to be sold.

Like elsewhere - Chip shortage.

If you went in there to buy a new car, they would do their best to flog you an old one.

But their machine coffee is good.
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Old 11th Feb 2022, 17:21
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Just wait for the “Meta” universe, when pedestrians and drivers are not only staring at their cell phones/mobiles oblivious to traffic, but have on virtual reality goggles that eliminate any chance of peripheral vision giving them a clue that something bad is about to happen.
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One of the peripheral reasons I have never been interested in many of the 'newer' cars is the poor rear/rear quarter visibility - both our cars (05 Grand Vitara and 08 Sportage) have reasonable glass area at the rear .
Out of all the cars I ownedI think the accolade for best all round vision (discounting any ragtops I had) would go to my old Peugeot 405 Estate - It had huge back windows/tailgate glass and was almost square at the back end - parking and reversing into the garage was an absolute doddle .

I had a Jago Jeep for a few years which had tremendous all round vision - great for my 20 minute commute through sussex/surrey to Dunsfold when not raining and also great fun for driving the 80 odd miles to my then gliding club and fantastic airfield vehicle for towing my glider around etc.

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Old 12th Feb 2022, 07:23
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Think I've said before that I found the view out of my Dolomites outstanding. You could see each corner of the car and the ground beyond quite close in. Modern cars are hamstrung by wide pillars, headrests, narrow slits for windows - I can't even seen the front of the bonnet on most of them even with the seat raised. That and a dodgy neck...
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Old 12th Feb 2022, 08:59
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
The salesman was most offhand suggesting that it was not a serious issue as the car would hit the brakes faster than I might IF it perceived a hazard. I suspect that 45 years of driving has taught me to anticipate hazards more reliably and possibly sooner than all of the bells and whistles in this vehicle. Turnings to that side would also be partly blind.
I am not impressed, especially as it is the Swedish brand that has been pushing the safety message for many, many years.
Rans6...........................
As an aside, there is more to the safety features than braking. I was parked in our XC40 Volvo on a suburban through street, speed limit 80kph. No cars parked behind me, listening to music whilst waiting for my passenger. The engine was on for airconditiong and I had the seat belt on. A speeding ratbag approaching me from behind, misjudged an oncoming car. My car anticipated it was about to be rear ended and so went into crash mitigation phase, most obvious was the sudden tightening of the seatbelt. Scared the life out of me, as I had no idea the car was approaching, fortunately the ratbag corrected its path and narrowly avoided sideswiping us.
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