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Old 21st Jan 2022, 22:14
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Open Car Door With Wrong Hand - £1,000 Fine !

I kid you not - new rules intended to protect cyclists.

Highway Code - rule 239 aka “The Dutch Reach” - vehicle occupants must open doors with the hand that is furthest from the door handle to “encourage body twisting so as to look behind the vehicle”.

£1,000 Fine for Door Opening

I know that us old farts are prone to mumbling about the Empire while we spill our Campari and soda on our Churchill slippers - but this really is getting bloody ridiculous.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 22:27
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You really should read more carefully. The alleged £1000 fine has nothing to do with the the Dutch Reach and is not a change.
If you injure a cyclist by opening a door then you may.be fined. I think you will find that is already true. The Dutch Reach is intended to reduce the likelihood of that happening. You will not be fined £1000 for opening the door with the wrong hand.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 22:39
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You really should read more carefully. The alleged £1000 fine has nothing to do with the the Dutch Reach and is not a change.
If you injure a cyclist by opening a door then you may.be fined. I think you will find that is already true. The Dutch Reach is intended to reduce the likelihood of that happening. You will not be fined £1000 for opening the door with the wrong hand.
Quite right, I was over-stimulated by the somewhat misleading headline.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 22:53
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In the photo shown in the linked news article,the cyclist appears to be on the FOOTPATH,and the woman has her right leg on the FOOTPATH,so at that stage,is she not a pedestrian ? and therefore,shouldn't the cyclist be giving way to her ?
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 22:59
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
In the photo shown in the linked news article,the cyclist appears to be on the FOOTPATH,and the woman has her right leg on the FOOTPATH,so at that stage,is she not a pedestrian ? and therefore,shouldn't the cyclist be giving way to her ?
"To trust is good, to check is better"...you know that's a staged picture in a regional tabloid right?

Surely the Dutch reach is just "good motormanship"?
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 23:05
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Yes,it's clearly a contrived photo,but I thought I'd raise the point anywayne of my pet hates is cyclists on footpaths,having nearly been mown down by them several times.Until now,I believed it was an offence,but it seems not!
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 00:27
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Well no that photo doesn’t, if you did a Dutch reach you would be looking more rearwards so wouldn’t see the rider coming from the front.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 01:06
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I had someone, who was double parked illegally, open their door as I cycled by and caught my handlebar, sending me flying through the air. I hit my arm on the edge of their car door enroute to smashing onto the pavement.

Their comment?

”You hit my car!”

They got pissed off that I burst into tears from the pain and was still crying when the police showed up. Since they were double parked, and I hadn’t scraped myself off the pavement yet, we were both blocking traffic, so it was pretty obvious what happened.

The front wheel of my bike turned into a pretzel, and the police were kind enough to give me a ride home.

Later on, I checked in at an infirmary and they gave me an x-ray, as they thought I’d broken my arm. Fortunately, I hadn’t.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 02:24
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Safe Distancing from Cyclist

I carry a hiking pole on my walks. When not required for slippery surfaces, I tuck it under my arm so that it sticks out sideways and back with the tip at cyclist eye height. For the other side I walk next to the curb or adjacent buildings.

It works well at ensuring cyclists keep a proper distance away.

Of course with approaching pedestrians I lower to give more room after checking behind.

Oh yes, look both ways leaving a store.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 03:20
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying View Post
I carry a hiking pole on my walks. When not required for slippery surfaces, I tuck it under my arm so that it sticks out sideways and back with the tip at cyclist eye height. For the other side I walk next to the curb or adjacent buildings.

It works well at ensuring cyclists keep a proper distance away.

Of course with approaching pedestrians I lower to give more room after checking behind.

Oh yes, look both ways leaving a store.
And as a cyclist, I carried a length of water pipe so I could thump any cars that came too close when I was riding on the road.
Goose, gander?
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 06:03
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Originally Posted by visibility3miles View Post
I had someone, who was double parked illegally, open their door as I cycled by and caught my handlebar, sending me flying through the air………..
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Were there any consequences for the driver?
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 07:17
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Originally Posted by Fonsini View Post
Quite right, I was over-stimulated by the somewhat misleading headline.
The lady's latest tweet

Had a massive Ed Balls moment earlier where instead of forwarding an email to myself, I replied with my own email address
Gives a pretty good indication of the calibre of journalist we're talking about at here ...
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 07:54
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In the contrived photo is the person getting out the driver??? Is the cyclist on a cycle path?
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 08:13
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Well no that photo doesn’t, if you did a Dutch reach you would be looking more rearwards so wouldn’t see the rider coming from the front.
Yes, but she gets him on his way back, too:



He's probably her ex.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 08:13
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Looking at that appalling piece of 'journalism', is it not a fact that if the ?young lady? (you have to be careful these days, you know) had opened the door with the 'British Reach' she would have seen the oncoming cyclist?
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 08:27
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I don't suppose this could be applied to yummsy scrummsy mummies...those who open the door of the, almost invariably, upmarket marque into oncoming traffic to disgorge their divine little offspring, putting said offspring at risk in the process.. as well as holding up the traffic rather than disgorging them onto the pavement ?
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 08:49
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Judging by the degraded skills of todays motorists and cyclists then it really doesn't matter which hand you open your car door with.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 09:05
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Round here, the local council does its best to maximise the opportunities for cyclists being doored:


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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 09:07
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What could possibly go wrong?!
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Fonsini View Post
I kid you not - new rules intended to protect cyclists.

Highway Code - rule 239 aka “The Dutch Reach” - vehicle occupants must open doors with the hand that is furthest from the door handle to “encourage body twisting so as to look behind the vehicle”.

£1,000 Fine for Door Opening

I know that us old farts are prone to mumbling about the Empire while we spill our Campari and soda on our Churchill slippers - but this really is getting bloody ridiculous.

I was taught to open car doors by this method more than 50 years ago.
The new UK Highway Code finally drags the country into the last decades of the 20th century; which is when many other countries adopted similar measures that put the most vulnerable first.
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