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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 12:51
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
When I'm approaching a parked car with somebody in it, my presumption is that they will open the door without seeing me, and ride accordingly.
... and then get shouted/beeped at by the car behind for making it too hard to overtake, thereby delaying their arrival at the back of the next traffic jam by several seconds.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 17:54
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Pulling out of the line of parked cars I failed to notice a motorbike coming up alongside, and knocked the young rider off his bike onto the road. Fortunately he was unhurt but his bike was damaged. Later when I rang his house to swap insurance details his mum answered and was a bit shifty when I asked about his insurance. It subsequently turned out he was riding without insurance. I got done for driving without due care and was fined 40 but he got fined 50 for riding without insurance. Poor sod - it really wasnt his day!
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 18:13
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No consequences for the driver. I was in the process of moving across the country before the $60 charge for the x-rays came through, and a bicycle mechanic friend fixed my bike for free out of the kindness of his heart.

The front wheel was truly toast. He built me a new one. I’ve built bicycle wheels myself. It’s kind of like weaving.

I did get a call from her lawyer, who sounded scared sh*tless that I would sue her, but I was too young and naive at the time, and distracted, to bother.

Although my arm was not broken, I used to keep my wallet in my front pocket to reduce the chance that pickpockets would lift it.

Consequently, after flying through the air in a flat trajectory, my full weight came down on my wallet in my front pocket.

This shoved my thigh muscle against the bone, resulting in a bruise that drained into my knee, causing swelling that made it hard to walk and screwed up several plans I had before my planned move to the West Coast.


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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 19:25
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I always look behind and check my blindspot when opening any car door just in case there might be a pedestrian or vehicle I haven't seen. That seems to be common sense.
The only one of the new rules I'm a little worried about (and cyclists should be too) is the rule where cyclists are allowed to pass you on the right when the car they are passing is turning right. The car has to give way.
The new rule allows cyclists to overtake on a hazard while I am pre-occupied with watching the oncomming traffic.
That one can't be healthy.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 19:28
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Round here, the local council does its best to maximise the opportunities for cyclists being doored:

To be honest regardless of the cycle lane I don't see the issue for car drivers having to check their blind spot for oncomming traffic when opening a door (any door). That seems common sense to me. After all it might be a 10 ton truck bearing down on you not just a cyclist.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 19:54
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Originally Posted by munnst View Post
The only one of the new rules I'm a little worried about (and cyclists should be too) is the rule where cyclists are allowed to pass you on the right when the car they are passing is turning right.
Can you point to where you have read this ?
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 20:28
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Can you point to where you have read this ?
From a Facebook thread. I don't know how valid the image is but it seems to have been clipped from a newspaper.



Rule H3
Rule for drivers and motorcyclists
You should not cut across cyclists, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles going ahead when
you are turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, just as you would
4
not turn across the path of another motor vehicle. This applies whether they are using a
cycle lane, a cycle track, or riding ahead on the road and you should give way to them.
Do not turn at a junction if to do so would cause the cyclist, horse rider or horse drawn
vehicle going straight ahead to stop or swerve.
You should stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes
when cyclists are:
• approaching, passing or moving off from a junction
• moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic
• travelling around a roundabout

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...IavyK_Ky6oQ8Id
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 21:00
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I have had car doors opened as I passed by on two or three other occasions.

Fortunately, they all caught my rear wheel, so were a mere annoyance,

I still hate to hear the click of a door getting opened.

The other exciting thing is someone (at least in the US) making an abrupt right turn directly in front of you without signaling their intentions.

Someone I knew said, Use your turn signals! You paid for them when you bought your car!

Nothing like making a severe turn, or sliding up alongside a car to accompany it around a hard turn, only to get a dirty look.

I bicycled a lot in my salad days. Im older than that now.

However, I always found motorcyclists to be very friendly and sympathetic people, as undoubtably they faced the same challenges and worse from cars.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 21:06
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One assumes cyclists also give way at that junction when peds want to cross.

I'm a bit confused by the diagram showing cycle on the right of car.
If car was signalling to turn right why would cyclist try and overtake.
I think cycle is wrong way round.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 21:25
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I use that old advertised adage of "Think Bike", i.e. "Think once. Thing Twice. Think... knock that sanctimonious lycra clad arsehole off his bike"... and open the car door irregardless !
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 21:26
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munnst

I had a driver open their door when I was about a car length behind. I swerved into the next lane (luckily empty) & missed them by inches

I still think how close I was to hitting them (killing them?) every time I drive that piece of road. I dont think they even noticed.

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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 21:27
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The lane on which I live is signposted as a single-track road with passing places. Much of the way it's only around 9 feet wide. Forgive me for not giving cyclists 1.5-metres clearance as I cautiously edge past them as they weave up the steepest (1-in-6) section...

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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 22:18
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Originally Posted by munnst View Post
From a Facebook thread. I don't know how valid the image is but it seems to have been clipped from a newspaper.



Rule H3
Rule for drivers and motorcyclists
You should not cut across cyclists, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles going ahead when
you are turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, just as you would
4
not turn across the path of another motor vehicle. This applies whether they are using a
cycle lane, a cycle track, or riding ahead on the road and you should give way to them.
Do not turn at a junction if to do so would cause the cyclist, horse rider or horse drawn
vehicle going straight ahead to stop or swerve.
You should stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes
when cyclists are:
approaching, passing or moving off from a junction
moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic
travelling around a roundabout
The graphic hasn't come from any DfT source, and the upper one is extremely misleading. Neither the new Rule H3 or its predecessor can be remotely construed as encouraging cyclists (or anyone else) to overtake a right-turning vehicle.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 22:22
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Originally Posted by Devils Advocate View Post
I use that old advertised adage of "Think Bike", i.e. "Think once. Thing Twice. Think... knock that sanctimonious lycra clad arsehole off his bike"... and open the car door irregardless !
Probably best to check first that the cyclist isn't carrying a D-lock. They can do a lot of damage to a car. Or its driver.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 22:41
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The new rule for pedestrians at junctions must be infallible because:-
Two pedestrians just stepped into the road without a single glance at any traffic this morning.
Fortunately, although I was going to turn into the side road which they were about to cross, and was on a precise collision course, I anticipated their confidence in the new rule.

I honestly don't think this is a wise rule change.
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Old 22nd Jan 2022, 22:44
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I hope we have different rules for Devon. We will never be able to get by a bike, it is next to impossible now. Mind you, if bikes have to ride in the centre of the lane, they will hit each other head on, so not all bad.
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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 01:50
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I don't get it. If they are encouraging cyclists to occupy the center of a lane, then how would they get 'doored' by a driver exiting a car? Half a lane is much wider than the full swing of my car door.

And if they are riding in the center of a lane, then how do they get caught by a vehicle turning right (USA) or left (UK)? A car ahead begins a turn. Why attempt to whip around them, particularly on the side they are turning towards?
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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 07:21
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Originally Posted by EEngr View Post
I don't get it. If they are encouraging cyclists to occupy the center of a lane, then how would they get 'doored' by a driver exiting a car? Half a lane is much wider than the full swing of my car door.
Ask the author of post #52 to explain to you about varying road widths in less developed nations.

Originally Posted by EEngr View Post
And if they are riding in the center of a lane, then how do they get caught by a vehicle turning right (USA) or left (UK)? A car ahead begins a turn. Why attempt to whip around them, particularly on the side they are turning towards?
The object of riding in the centre of the lane is precisely to avoid that happening. Google "left hook" (or, in the colonies, "right hook").
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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 08:35
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Where do all the road users, (pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and horse riders), get this update of the Highway Code?
There used to be public information ads on TV about how to use the public highway, why don't we have these any more?
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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 08:38
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The HC has been accessible online, for free, for many years now.

The Highway Code - Guidance - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
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