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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 14:03
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
It will not be popular, but I believe that it needs to be said: K n c's remarks notwithstanding, the guilty couple do have rights - that, I firmly believe, is one of the cornerstones of our system of justice.
I'll amend that then...to the bare minimum However, neither of them will now be unable to inflict such brutality on another child again which is a blessing
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 18:03
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Originally Posted by Theviewdownhere View Post
29 years minimum for her, 21 for the father.

Not long enough in my opinion.
i wouldn’t be surprised if they have an accident in prison slipping on the soap.

Personally I would make them sleep on the floor and feed them three square meals a week heavily salted for the next 29 years. But that’s just me.
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 19:05
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Father's sentence is 21 years so has been told he will spend at least two thirds of that. So potentially he will be out at the age of 43. Let's hope he does not have any more children.

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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Theviewdownhere View Post
29 years minimum for her, 21 for the father.

Not long enough in my opinion.

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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 21:15
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Originally Posted by favete linguis View Post
What is even more heartbreaking is listening to the audio of the poor lad claiming no one loves him and no one was going to feed him. That he had the capacity to comprehend these 2 basic functions which all of us take for granted without question makes it harrowing enough. That it was recorded by the very people responsible for his care and ultimate death, which they orchestrated, makes it even more harrowing.

Couldnt agree more with stevef and charliegolf - they have their reward incoming and may they suffer long and hard before the interview with their maker. Social services looking to apportion blame to covid too is not helping their cause or image, damaged enough as it is.

requiescat in pace. Poor mite.
Exactly my feelings - how could they record him?
There are some crimes for which the death penalty SHOULD be available.
However i think 20 odd years in prison will actually be WORSE punishment....
Too much salt in every meal would be the least of their problems, and no one can keep them secure from harm 24/7/52 x 20
I'm even wondering if preventing their suicide would be more cruel still.....
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 22:43
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As ever, the responses to this sort of happening are a sobering reminder of why such crimes are possible.
The eagerness among some to inflict severe, even terminal harm to persons, of whom they know nothing, simply to satisfy what they, no doubt, regard as morally based vengeance, speaks loudly of the mental processes which lead to the subject crime - but they will always find, or manufacture, supposedly worthy motives for their proposals. That such feelings are expressed, in many cases based on Judeo-Christian sourced religious precepts, makes a total mockery of their own major admonition ... "Thou shalt not kill"
Visceral, vigilante outbursts have no place in civilised communities.
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 22:52
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
" Nutloose's eagerness to resort to killing someone as a preventative is the usual sop to one section of society - its lack of efficacy, as ever, avoids the relevant thought process.

It is not eagerness, it’s what they deserve and far from being preventative, that stage had long since past sadly, one would hope it might actually send out a message to those that think torture and abuse of an innocent, who had no chance of fighting back is an acceptable practice. That will not be tolerated, end off.

Those social services and police involved in this should hang their heads in shame at allowing this to happen, I am not a lover of social services “poking their noses” into a lot of things, but in this case they appear to have been woefully lacking, one hopes those involved learn from this.

I just hope that little Arthur is looking down on this from heaven today free from pain and abuse, well fed and realising that far from no one loving him, a nation has shown they do.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 09:01
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Though not accompanied, of course, by any reversal of the savage budget cuts that local government social services have suffered in recent years.

Frankly, I can't understand why anyone becomes a social worker these days.
Given the magnitude and gravity of this case, there was always the inevitability of the case becoming politicised.

Consequently, any inquiries will duly find convenient scapegoats at varying levels and probably in more than one agency to appease the public.

However, apart from the bitter irony of Boris uttering the trite phrase in Oswestry yesterday, this MP is correct. There is an elephant in the room and it will be conveniently ignored because how much impact the insidious cuts to local authorities have had in this case cannot be determined, as yet, but they will certainly be a contributory factor in conjunction with the cuts to all other services.

PM pledges to ‘leave no stone unturned’ in review of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes’ death | Child protection | The Guardian

The Mail, as always, doing its level best to ferment matters.

Newspaper headlines: Omicron 'red alert', and Arthur failings probe - BBC News
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One hopes that both of them, but especially the mother has a particularly hard time in jail, and that the warders don't go out of their way to protect her from the wrath of her fellow inmates, most of whom will not depraved depraved.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 11:19
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Daughter of a friend is a pretty strong character and a social worker. But when one of her clients committed suicide, it really got to her.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 12:52
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
As ever, the responses to this sort of happening are a sobering reminder of why such crimes are possible.
The eagerness among some to inflict severe, even terminal harm to persons, of whom they know nothing, simply to satisfy what they, no doubt, regard as morally based vengeance, speaks loudly of the mental processes which lead to the subject crime - but they will always find, or manufacture, supposedly worthy motives for their proposals. That such feelings are expressed, in many cases based on Judeo-Christian sourced religious precepts, makes a total mockery of their own major admonition ... "Thou shalt not kill"
Visceral, vigilante outbursts have no place in civilised communities.
I would be interested to know if you live in a nice bubble community which is composed of similar people to yourself. Intelligent people who are generally nice to each other and where shocking violence and cruelty are not part of your daily life. Have you ever experienced a violent attack or had someone close to you be the victim of a violent attack? Perhaps your view would change if that had been the case. Many criminals including those who are marked down as criminally insane (to use an old term) are incapable of changing their behaviour. Visceral, nasty, violent criminals have no place in civilised communities.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 13:26
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No they don't and that's why we put them in jail, where it is the job of warders to protect them.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 15:49
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LeftBlank - I greatly appreciate your interest in my 'nice bubble community'.
Were it so, it would be the end product of 35 years of worldwide service in a military world which, even at its best, was not noted for quiet restrained calm or elegant, comfortable living conditions. The frequent requirement to carry sidearms, was not 'for show', but an essential accessory. Social life included periods where '4 penny' knuckledusters were advisable.
At a personal level I needed to adopt a degree of agility to cope with a (thankfully ex) wife, whose mood swings verged on the homicidal. A further 12 years in the world of civil aviation was, thankfully, less life threatening, but included narrowly avoiding evisceration by the lounge window when it imploded under tons of North Sea as I was standing in front.of it. The subsequent destruction of the rest of the house and being night-rescued via the bathroom window, didn't register highly on the fun scale.either.
So, a pretty average background which has offered insights into areas of human existence perhaps less common than your average nine-to-five routine, and allows viewpoints somewhat at odds with others.
I do, indeed, avoid violence and cruelty in my daily life - starting with never inflicting, or wishing to inflict it, on others. Possibly I'm wrong in that ... but it seems to have worled - so far.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 16:49
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The politicising of this tragedy gathers momentum with this call to review their sentences.

Arthur Labinjo-Hughes: Review call over 'lenient' jail terms for couple - BBC News
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
The politicising of this tragedy gathers momentum with this call to review their sentences.

Arthur Labinjo-Hughes: Review call over 'lenient' jail terms for couple - BBC News
Predictable playing to the gallery on the part of Julian Knight MP (who already has a big enough majority that he shouldn't need to).

Mr Justice Wall QC's sentencing remarks:

"I must set the minimum term by reference to Schedule 21 of the Sentencing Code as Parliament has enacted. I judge this to be a case of particularly high seriousness and thus one with a starting point of 30 years. Although, save for the element of sadism, it does not fit into one of the examples of a murder of particularly high seriousness as set out in the code, it is a matter for the sentencing judge to decide whether any case is properly so described. The killing, coupled with the persistent and repeated cruelty which preceded it leads me to the conclusion I have reached.

Many of the aggravating features have already been factored into my reaching my conclusion as to the starting point and I take care not to double count those features. However, there are further aggravating factors that I must take into account at this stage, namely the gross breach of trust, Arthur's age and vulnerability, and your lies to conceal your conduct. Against that I set the fact that you were effectively of good character and that, while you were constantly cruel to Arthur, I cannot find that his death was premeditated. I can only safely conclude that you formed your intent to kill him shortly before your final assault on him. I accept that your time in custody will be hard and that you pose a real suicide risk. Weighing up these factors the minimum term in your case will be one of 29 years."

Braverman has understandably been keeping a low profile for the last year or so, and I can't see her sticking her head above the parapet on this one.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 19:48
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I am not a lover of social services “poking their noses” into a lot of things,
And therein lies the problem. If you remove the kids (especially middle class) all hell is let loose, if you don't then all hell is let loose.
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 10:52
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We should all relax. The Buffoon has been stirred to action and has ordered "an enquiry" (another?) so that "lessons can be learned" !! Such innovation will surely present solutions galore and convert the nation's evil-doers into model citizens ... as evidenced by the achievements of the many previous such exercises.
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 11:20
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Originally Posted by stevef View Post
Meanwhile Arthur is still lying in a mortuary after 16 months because of family disputes over who should bury him. Even in death there's no dignity for the poor little soul.
This alone is a travesty of justice for the little lad. The fathers family should have no say in what happens, I know they did not cause his death, but imho he (and by extension his family) should have no say in what happens to his mortal remains.
I am not religious in anyway, but if there is an afterlife then I do hope he is being loved.

As for the two who caused such a heinous crime, I do hope they have a hard time in prison.

And for Social Services, its a job I would not do, hamstrung by inept politicians, I have absolutely no faith in any of them, not one of them has any back bone.
Sadly the state of the world now people are too scared to say or do anything that might offend, so we allow things such as this to happen.
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 18:42
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Cornish Jack - Thank you for answering my question. You have led a varied and interesting life so far which as you say is different from most 9 to 5’ers. I hope you are enjoying a well deserved retirement notwithstanding the last 18 months. Most of us do live in “nice bubbles” (perhaps I should have dropped the word nice). We socialise with the same people, live in nice areas (that word again!) and usually work with similar like-minded people. I am discounting military active service as relative to the population size, few people experience that and it is not unusual to expect violence of some sort in that environment. When nasty, cruel violence intrudes on our normal civilian lives it is an incredible shock. I was interested to know if you had experienced such an event but still held your views. Many people who are put in dreadful situations find that their beliefs have been shattered and change their views.
Your policy of never inflicting or wanting to inflict violence or cruelty does you great credit and I wish that everyone held such high ideals. The world would be a better place. Unfortunately there are sections of our population that do not and are incapable of doing so. Both an experienced policeman and psychiatric nurse have told me that there are people in the world who only respond to and understand extreme violence, anything else is a complete waste of time. I suspect that the woman in this particular harrowing case is right on the very edge of that envelope.
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 21:19
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Poor little ****er had no chance. Mother jailed for knifing her lover (not his father)
father then shacks up with this excuse of a human and then BOTH neglect and abuse him
Same sentence for each and I'm hoping neither live out the term.
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