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Old 1st Dec 2021, 14:06
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Jeremy Vine…

Yesterday morning the execrable Jeremy Vine show, channel 5 was inadvertently on while supping my morning coffee. I am aware that the media are either duplicitous or ignorant when it comes to technical or scientific stuff such as viruses or indeed aircraft or indeed pertinently aviation history. I am doing my best to write this as calmly as possible because there aren’t enough profanities in the English language to describe my view on Mr V. The subject came up about the RAF deciding to call airmen, aviators. There then inevitably was the scramble for position with the usual provocative stuff rearing it’s head ref sexism etc. Calls were taken from the public and one was talking about the airforce being in existence since WW1. Mr V then said incredibly, ‘oh, I didn’t think that we had aircraft in WW1, I thought that they were just zeppelins’. Yup, that’s what he said folks. The ignorance and stupidity defy belief. Certainly every schoolboy of my era knew about the RFC, Sopwith Camels, SE5s, Fokker triplanes, Baron Von Richthofen, Albert Ball etc. The point is that these sanctimonious [email protected] lecture from their studios about any subject with real certitude, trousering insane amounts of money and in reality are as thick as mince. This particular individual then cycles down to the BBC to reappear on Radio 2 to repeat the same twaddle. Switch it off I hear you saying, advice I have given myself.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 14:28
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Given the thread title I expected to read that he had died. Thank you for disappointing me.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 14:29
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Consider: if you conclude the man talks total garbage about something you are familiar with...what are the chances he speaks with authority about topics you are unfamiliar with? See also most popular newspapers... To conclude, listen to the music if that's suits you, but ignore the bits in between.
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Is aviator an offensive word???

I guess it makes the plane the aviatee…

As to whether Britain had planes in WWI, the historical record stands for itself.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 15:59
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Originally Posted by visibility3miles View Post
Is aviator an offensive word???

I guess it makes the plane the aviatee…

As to whether Britain had planes in WWI, the historical record stands for itself.
If it had an RAF - more debatable. Turned up even later than the Yanks but not sure who saw action first. I am sure someone will say
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 16:06
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Yesterday morning the execrable Jeremy Vine show, channel 5 was inadvertently on while supping my morning coffee. I am aware that the media are either duplicitous or ignorant when it comes to technical or scientific stuff such as viruses or indeed aircraft or indeed pertinently aviation history. I am doing my best to write this as calmly as possible because there aren’t enough profanities in the English language to describe my view on Mr V. The subject came up about the RAF deciding to call airmen, aviators. There then inevitably was the scramble for position with the usual provocative stuff rearing it’s head ref sexism etc. Calls were taken from the public and one was talking about the airforce being in existence since WW1. Mr V then said incredibly, ‘oh, I didn’t think that we had aircraft in WW1, I thought that they were just zeppelins’. Yup, that’s what he said folks. The ignorance and stupidity defy belief. Certainly every schoolboy of my era knew about the RFC, Sopwith Camels, SE5s, Fokker triplanes, Baron Von Richthofen, Albert Ball etc. The point is that these sanctimonious [email protected] lecture from their studios about any subject with real certitude, trousering insane amounts of money and in reality are as thick as mince. This particular individual then cycles down to the BBC to reappear on Radio 2 to repeat the same twaddle. Switch it off I hear you saying, advice I have given myself.
The man does a very poor impression of a journalist; he'd be more suited to a channel looking for a tame shock-jock. His Radio 2 programme is improved immeasurably if Amol Rajan is sitting in, or even better Chris Mason.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 16:07
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The original debate was due to the RAF renaming all enlisted personnel aviators from the previous term airmen. The point being that airmen has well, the word men and is somehow sexist. The word aviatrice for female aviators was never mentioned. Then followed the mind boggling declaration that there were no aircraft in WW1 only zeppelins apparently. I don’t know how you can reach adulthood in the UK and not even have perfunctory knowledge of our recent history. Or know of the RFC.
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.... and Biggles !
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The US didn’t have an Air Force until WWII, when the Army Air Force, previously known as the US Army Air Corps, became the Air Force.

And yes, I get the point that “airmen” could be viewed as sexist. Women weren’t allowed to be fighter pilots for ages, but they did train other pilots and deliver planes during wartime.

Amelia Earhart? Beryl Markham? Anne Morrow Lindbergh? They flew planes too, albeit not in WWI.

But your point is that this fellow is ignorant and spouting nonsense. I agree.
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If you can be bothered to wade through it, here's how Mr.Vine is getting on in court :

Vine v Belfield [2021] EWHC 3068 (QB) (05 October 2021) (bailii.org)
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Originally Posted by visibility3miles View Post
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Amelia Earhart? Beryl Markham? Anne Morrow Lindbergh? They flew planes too, albeit not in WWI.
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And don't forget the Flying Duchess, Mary Russell, Duchess of Bedford. A bit if a local celebrity for us. She took up flying in 1926 at the age of 60 when increasing deafness started to interfere with her hospital work. Flew to India and Capetown. Disappeared, presumed lost in the North Sea, on a flight in 1937. A search using "Flying Duchess" will turn up her story - quite a lady!
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That's a story and a half. Hadn't heard of her.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 17:21
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
His Radio 2 programme is improved immeasurably if Amol Rajan is sitting in, or even better Chris Mason.
I agree, I can no longer stand the sound of his voice and when it appears I switch to another channel such as local radio, or Smooth FM. I will listen to the programme if he's not on it!
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Totally agree with comments re Mr Vine, poor quality journalist and a terrible accent. I had the misfortune to meet him in SA when he was based there, in person at a drinks party, and to say he was covering Africa he did not seem very clued up on his patch. He was at Durham Uni, which was one of the better UK uni when I went through the system, so not sure what went wrong in his case, but I switch off when he comes on when I am in UK. Seems to like the limelight much like another ex journalist in a public position.

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Old 1st Dec 2021, 18:46
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When he first started on Radio 2, I thought JV was very good. He didn't interrupt the contributors, but if he did, he apologised.

However, in recent years, he has become very annoying, and apparently very dim and stupid - not seeming to understand the simplest thing. He is like a journalist I once worked with who asked me if that was a 'thigh bone' she could see sticking out of the rail track, (at the Ladbroke Grove rail crash), which taught me that despite their journalism degrees, many of them are not actually very bright - (a few are and they shine above the others).

Jeremy Paxman used to call JV "mini me", which at the time I thought was cruel and unnecessary, but now I think he was absolutely right.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 19:00
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Jeremy Paxman used to call JV "mini me", which at the time I thought was cruel and unnecessary, but now I think he was absolutely right.
Paxman does an excellent job in "University Challenge" where Vine's approach in "Eggheads" is very strange - not a bit like a normal quiz-show presenter.
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Yes, even despite Jeremy Paxman's Parkinson's.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 19:38
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Ive always said the Jeremy vine show is the daily mail for radio
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I have often noticed that he says some very stupid things. He seems to have some large areas of missing knowledge that is quite surprising for a journalist in his position. I can't quite recall exactly what it was now but I heard him ask something so stupid that it was actually a bit of a draw drop moment.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 22:27
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I usually listen every day if I can, just to see what's bugging Middle England. As for JV himself, you could say he is playing Devils Advocate, but I get the impression he's more the Devils Avocado.
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