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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 18:00
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Assisted death

How strange, they spent years opposed to it, but when it comes home to roost, suddenly they are all for it. Letís hope it finally gets passed into law to allow those suffering to escape their eternal pain.

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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 18:20
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It's a difficult subject with strong arguments for and against but I too would like to see it passed into law and have long thought so.

Very sorry to hear about Frank Field, a Parliamentarian for whom I have considerable respect.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 18:29
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
How strange, they spent years opposed to it, but when it comes home to roost, suddenly they are all for it. Letís hope it finally gets passed into law to allow those suffering to escape their eternal pain.
It remains to be seen whether enough MPs (certainly not "all") support it becoming law. It will almost certainly be a free vote.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 18:34
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I think Frank Field was visiting someone rather than being in a hospice himself. Yeah, he talked a lot of sense. Would have thought even if passed there will be a mountain of restrictions, perhaps even needing someone with health power of attorney to support the patient, plus a terminal diagnosis countersignec by a bunch of doctors, at least one independent of the leading institution etc etc.
A well sealed room and a few bbqs might be easier.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 20:40
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This is also a hot topic in Australia at present, with a bill before the NSW Parliament. NSW is the only state that doesn't have such law. However, with a new, strongly RC Premier, there is some doubt that a conscience vote of Liberal (anything but) party MPs will be allowed.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 21:04
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I have long been a supporter of the choice to end one's life if that is one's wish; in all honesty, I would not want to see it limited to those with terminal illness. I appreciate that it is a topic which gives rise to strongly held views in many, but provided that it is not a choice made under coercion or duress, I believe it is the right of all of us to have the option. But I can't see the law changing any time soon, thereby placing some in the invidious position of becoming lawbreakers simply because they wish to assist someone to end their life in a humane manner, or forcing those who wish to end their lives to do so in a lonely and, perhaps, in a way where the outcome is uncertain.

And although I have held these views for as long as I can remember, like NutLoose, I find it rather ironic to see public figures who have opposed any change in legislation, change their minds when it becomes rather more relevant and important to them.
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Yes but this is assisted dying not assisted suicide. The latter will never be legalised for, what I would think, were obvious reasons.
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As I understand it the bill is being debated in the Lords. To become law it would still have to go through the Commons and be backed by the government and MPs, which is unlikely.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Yes but this is assisted dying not assisted suicide.
Would you care to explain what distinction you are trying to draw ?

We're talking about helping someone who wishes to end their life to do so, regardless of how that's labelled.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 22:58
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Would you care to explain what distinction you are trying to draw ?

We're talking about helping someone who wishes to end their life to do so, regardless of how that's labelled.
My guess is someone whose death is inevitable, and imminent. = assisted dying. Different to suicide in other circumstances.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 02:42
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I've always been bemused by the practice of doing absolutely everything in medical sciences power to keep a pain stricken individual alive, yet if we were to treat an animal in the same manner the RSPCA would have you in court quick smart for cruel treatment.
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As I understand it the bill is being debated in the Lords. To become law it would still have to go through the Commons and be backed by the government and MPs, which is unlikely.
Surely it's "Taking back control", so how could the "Taking back control ©" government not support it?
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I've always been bemused by the practice of doing absolutely everything in medical sciences power to keep a pain stricken individual alive, yet if we were to treat an animal in the same manner the RSPCA would have you in court quick smart for cruel treatment.
megan,

Your comment rings true. Perhaps not to those who have never had pets. It begs the question whether to treat pets better than humans.

My wish is to be treated as humanly as a loved pet.
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Unfortunately, many of the 'anti' forces are part of organised religions. Of course, not all religions or believers are anti, but those who are have run a strong campaign, pressuring MPs to reject any VAD proposals, and using spurious arguments against them.
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I am perplexed by the religious fraternities opposal to assisted death. Are we not all bound for paradise? Why then would they seek to deny someone who is suffering entry to said place? Are they telling fibs?
Me and Mrs Wyler have both sorted our Power of Attorney with quite specific instructions as to what is and is not acceptable if and when we become unable to fend for ourselves. Oh how I wish I could just tick the box that says 'Terminate'. Unfortunately it may well mean, under current practises, the withdrawal of food and fluids to prolong the agony.
As has already been said, we treat animals with more dignity and compassion.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 08:27
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Originally Posted by artee View Post
Surely it's "Taking back control", so how could the "Taking back control ©" government not support it?
Two reasons, NIH and no room in the parliamentary timetable.
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The way in which the major religions in UK try and force their views and values on what is now essentially a secular / atheist society really make my blood boil. By all means if you are religious and believe God expects you to suffer in your last months of a terminal illness to gain your place in his hollowed land then fair enough; if you are unlucky enough to contract such a disease or illness you can suffer as you wish. The absolute twaddle that the Archbishop of Canterbury was spouting on BBC Breakfast this week was nauseating and so selfish. Anyone, and I guess that would be many of us here will have watched a relative slip away, often in pain but drugged up to the point where they are totally out of it and I fail to understand how any religious leader, whether they be C of E, Catholic, Muslim or Jewish can possibly justify this level of suffering.

Lets have a referendum, discuss the pros and cons, and let the people decide on an issue that after all affects all the population, or at least could do, at some stage in their lives rather than allow a few dedicated religious leaders, moralists and do-gooders decide our fates for us, should the worst come to the worst. This is the only was assisted dying is ever going to become law in UK.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 10:32
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ATNotts Think I may detect a slight prejudice there....!!
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
ATNotts Think I may detect a slight prejudice there....!!
You could say that. The benchmark for me is that if you wouldn't put your pet dog or cat through it why should other people dictate how you choose to exit this life

Assisted dying should never become compulsory but should be a legal option for those who feel they want to go before the pain sets in.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 11:39
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Totally agree with you ATNotts, same goes for the Catholic Church as well, pontifying about abortion and condoms etc, regardless of if they are the result of abuse… sometimes by the church itself, rape, incest and disease. Because it is a gift from God.
The other thing is they all bleat on about the starving and the need for governments to feed the world and home the homeless while the likes of the Catholic Church sits on an estimated 30 billion fortune.. charity appears to begin at home, is that a gift from God too?

The church and the ArchBishop shouldn’t even get airtime on items like this, they are so out of touch with the people that matter and they should have the right to decide, if they are suffering in pain or dying. I think assisted suicide is wrong though, as that is often a spur of the moment decision and cannot be reversed.
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