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Old 27th May 2022, 07:03
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
One of the issues with overtaking is that half the drivers on the road have not had chance to practice. Half of the roads which used to have sufficient straight sections to allow safe passing of slower vehicles no longer do so. The local highways departments, who seem to have an unlimited budget that must be spent each year to stop it getting reduced, seem to take every opportunity to install some kerbs and lighted bollards at regular intervals just where the road used to be clear. If that is not enough, I know of a couple of short stretches of dual carriageway, ie two lanes in each direction with a patch of grass/trees along the centre which have been reduced to single lanes in each direction still with a central reservation. So instead of allowing a bit of safe overtaking everyone is constrained to follow the slowest vehicle. And speed limits reduced from 70mh dual carriageway signed down to 50mph (or 40mph). No wonder there is frustration spilling over...........

Rans6.............
OK. lets take these inane comments one at a time shall we.

First, unless people are driving in a very localised area where overtaking is not feasible, elsewhere on the road network, overtaking is a regular occurrence ..whether some drivers have the basic skills to accomplish this safely however, is, sadly, an entirely different matter.

Second....local authorities . It's clearly escaped your notice, that, Gov't funding for such has diminished, significantly, resulting in cut backs on expenditure for all but essential services. This includes road maintenance. Drive anywhere and you'll notice that road markings for example have all but vanished...potholes are "patch up " repairs and road surfaces quietly deteriorating unless they've reached the stage where they have to be repaired and even then, it's a " quick fix " job and minimal area covered.

Third, kerbstones....not seen any new kerbstones being installed for a long time, and I do hope you weren't referring to drop down kerbs for disability access ?...and clearly, traffic calming measures don't meet with your approval.

Finally, if the prospect of not being allowed to blast along the road as you wish induces frustration, and you're clearly far from alone here, possibly it would be a good idea to stop driving...or factor in longer journey times to compensate.
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Old 27th May 2022, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
OK. lets take these inane comments one at a time shall we.

First, unless people are driving in a very localised area where overtaking is not feasible, elsewhere on the road network, overtaking is a regular occurrence ..whether some drivers have the basic skills to accomplish this safely however, is, sadly, an entirely different matter.

Second....local authorities . It's clearly escaped your notice, that, Gov't funding for such has diminished, significantly, resulting in cut backs on expenditure for all but essential services. This includes road maintenance. Drive anywhere and you'll notice that road markings for example have all but vanished...potholes are "patch up " repairs and road surfaces quietly deteriorating unless they've reached the stage where they have to be repaired and even then, it's a " quick fix " job and minimal area covered.

Third, kerbstones....not seen any new kerbstones being installed for a long time, and I do hope you weren't referring to drop down kerbs for disability access ?...and clearly, traffic calming measures don't meet with your approval.

Finally, if the prospect of not being allowed to blast along the road as you wish induces frustration, and you're clearly far from alone here, possibly it would be a good idea to stop driving...or factor in longer journey times to compensate.
On the contrary @rans6andrew makes some very valid observations. Up until I retired in December I was doing a lot of mileage, mostly in the East Midlands region and I can absolutely concur that overtaking has been rendered largely impossible by the strategic positioning of refuges in the centre of roads, not necessarily to assist pedestrians crossing the road, but just to hinder, or essentially stop overtaking. The state of road markings, especially on roundabouts is lamentable, and the poor or non-existent marking probably cause accidents. To cite one particular example, which has thankfully been corrected quite recently, the "Nottingham Knight" roundabout on the A52 around West Bridgford, Nottingham.

Traffic calming is one of my pet hates, not because its there, but because in many cases they damage my (small) vehicle when I drive over them at well below the speed limit, while drivers of "Chelsea Tractors" can scoot over them at high speed due to their wider wheelbase and it is blinding obvious which vehicle could cause the worst injury tp pedestrians and cyclists and its not my Citigo. There is also no consistency in the height and profile of the confounded things, and getting back to road marking, often (especially in Nottingham - where the council is addicted to the things) the white markings on the leading edge have disappeared or been tarmacked over leading drivers to hit them, especially at night, without warning which has the potential to cause damage even when driving at or below the speed limit.

I have recently returned from The Netherlands, where calming is often done using chicanes which ensure, unless you're a complete maniac (or spirited driver!!) you are doing sub 50 km/h by the time you have entered the built up area and additional pinch point ensure speed is kept down. That is more intelligent traffic calming than putting obstacles in the middle of the road. Where the Dutch use speed humps they don't jar the vehicle as you go over them unless you are exceeding the speed limit.
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Old 27th May 2022, 16:09
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
One of the many issues with driving standards is that we pass a test and, unless choosing to take further training, never ever have our driving standards looked at again.

The UK Institute of Advanced Motorists did a great deal of research in order to explore ways of encouraging younger drivers to take advanced training.............In conversation with an off duty police traffic officer when talking about driving standards he said two things about advanced training. Firstly, you can never have too much training and, secondly, it would transform my motorcycle riding.

Until very recently I held a licence for all categories of goods vehicles as well as public service vehicles and have passed the IAM test for both motorcycles and cars.
Fully agree. One of the best things I did was the extra training for my motorbike licence - about 12 years after passing my car licence. Extra training, in the form of a CBT was....er....compulsory, but it was really good revision of general road driving, signs, markings, road conditions, and general safety and awareness, as well as those aspects directly related to motorbikes. Classroom work as well as road riding with an instructor talking to you in your radio earpiece.

Having almost been driven into sideways by car drivers so many times while on my motorbike, when driving my own car I now always look over my shoulder to check my blind spots when lane changing in my car. Previously I only looked in the door mirror when changing lane to the left. I also look at least twice in each direction when pulling out of a side-road - the brain does not always 'see' motorbikes on the first look - only my quick reactions and hand-eye coordination prevented several accidents when cars pulled out right in front of me, despite my headlight being on and me wearing a Hi-Viz jacket and a white helmet.

I might have a look at doing an IAM course for car driving.
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Old 27th May 2022, 16:57
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When my daughter had to attend a speed awareness course, she was the only one to get several of the questions on the Highway Code correct, which she freely admitted was only due to contiuous updating from her father.
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Old 28th May 2022, 10:56
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Fully agree. One of the best things I did was the extra training for my motorbike licence - about 12 years after passing my car licence. Extra training, in the form of a CBT was....er....compulsory, but it was really good revision of general road driving, signs, markings, road conditions, and general safety and awareness, as well as those aspects directly related to motorbikes. Classroom work as well as road riding with an instructor talking to you in your radio earpiece.

Having almost been driven into sideways by car drivers so many times while on my motorbike, when driving my own car I now always look over my shoulder to check my blind spots when lane changing in my car. Previously I only looked in the door mirror when changing lane to the left. I also look at least twice in each direction when pulling out of a side-road - the brain does not always 'see' motorbikes on the first look - only my quick reactions and hand-eye coordination prevented several accidents when cars pulled out right in front of me, despite my headlight being on and me wearing a Hi-Viz jacket and a white helmet.

I might have a look at doing an IAM course for car driving.
The ‘life saver’ look over the shoulder is so ingrained from my m cycle days it has become routine in the car, although the poor old neck is a bit stiff these days.
I once had a chat with a driving examiner. He considered many test failures are due to not making proper progress, not speeding but also not getting on with it.
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Old 28th May 2022, 12:03
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With all our tec hnology, WHY do we still have blind spots?????
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Old 28th May 2022, 12:27
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Originally Posted by DType View Post
With all our tec hnology, WHY do we still have blind spots?????
Ironically, part of the reason could be the push for ever greater safety.

Compare the glazed area of a modern car compared to cars from even 20 years ago, not to mention the ‘80’s or ‘90’s.

Thicker roof pillars, higher window lines, smaller windows.

Whilst this has improved safety for vehicle occupants in the event of a crash, l it could be argued that reduced visibility from within the vehicle increases the likelihood of such an incident.
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Old 28th May 2022, 18:03
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
Ironically, part of the reason could be the push for ever greater safety.

Compare the glazed area of a modern car compared to cars from even 20 years ago, not to mention the ‘80’s or ‘90’s.

Thicker roof pillars, higher window lines, smaller windows.

Whilst this has improved safety for vehicle occupants in the event of a crash, l it could be argued that reduced visibility from within the vehicle increases the likelihood of such an incident.
I agree with this - the ever-increasing thickness of the roof pillars is alarming (more structure and air bags). About 10 years ago I drove over a curb in a rental car because I couldn't see it due to the blind spot from the roof pillar. I remember thinking what a crappy design that was (and how fortunate it was only a curb and not something like a small child). But now all newer cars seem to have that problem. I've had to train myself to frequently move my head around to account for the blind spot from the forward roof pillars when driving my BMW (2019 model).
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Old 28th May 2022, 18:10
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
I agree with this - the ever-increasing thickness of the roof pillars is alarming (more structure and air bags). About 10 years ago I drove over a curb in a rental car because I couldn't see it due to the blind spot from the roof pillar. I remember thinking what a crappy design that was (and how fortunate it was only a curb and not something like a small child). But now all newer cars seem to have that problem. I've had to train myself to frequently move my head around to account for the blind spot from the forward roof pillars when driving my BMW (2019 model).
Attend a few rollover accidents (as I did when a volunteer firefighter) and you wouldn't be so dismissive. It used to be that the roof collapse would crush and kill the occupants.
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Old 28th May 2022, 19:54
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
Attend a few rollover accidents (as I did when a volunteer firefighter) and you wouldn't be so dismissive. It used to be that the roof collapse would crush and kill the occupants.
I don't disagree that cars require robust rollover protection, but now we have a situation where the resultant blind spots are causing accidents. At best, a questionable tradeoff.
I think the automakers need to revisit the width of the forward pillars - especially putting air-bags there. They need to come up with a design that doesn't require making the forward pillars so wide.
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Old 28th May 2022, 20:37
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Our 2005 Suzuki Vitara has excellent all round vision with picture windows
Our 08 Sportage has reasonable rear quarter vision but not as good as the suzi.
Both certainly much much better than many modern cars with their tiny rear/side windows.
Best vehicle I had for all round vision was my old Jago Jeep - a great fun machine - although I doubt it would have scored very well on crash testing LOL



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Old 29th May 2022, 10:28
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
I don't disagree that cars require robust rollover protection, but now we have a situation where the resultant blind spots are causing accidents. At best, a questionable tradeoff.
I think the automakers need to revisit the width of the forward pillars - especially putting air-bags there. They need to come up with a design that doesn't require making the forward pillars so wide.
It's not just the pillars' width but they are also very close to the driver with the heavily-raked windscreens we have now. They give a much bigger blindspot than they would at the same size but with less windscreen rake.
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Old 29th May 2022, 13:36
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and those high seat backs/head rests.
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Old 29th May 2022, 17:03
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and those high seat backs/head rests.
Yes, they're a real PITA for those of us who are blessed with eyes in the back of our heads.
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Old 30th May 2022, 08:34
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Yes, they're a real PITA for those of us who are blessed with eyes in the back of our heads.
I have fitted Citroen BX GTi seats to my 2CV. More comfortable and easier for ingress and egress.
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Old 30th May 2022, 11:23
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I have fitted Citroen BX GTi seats to my 2CV. More comfortable and easier for ingress and egress.
That will double the 0-60 time, if it will actually get to 60 now
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Old 30th May 2022, 11:59
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