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Old 23rd May 2022, 19:32
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Originally Posted by TLDNMCL View Post
Yep, one of the many reasons driving became an unattractive travel option for me years ago.
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Driving in the UK has been unattractive for many years. I really relish getting across the Channel to use properly designed roads with sensible speed limits, a dearth of speed humps and properly trained drivers!


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Old 23rd May 2022, 22:28
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Originally Posted by TLDNMCL View Post
Ah, so you'll be the one who nips into the recommended breaking gap between vehicles then, rendering the efforts of others pointless.
I assume you mean braking gap, not breaking gap !

There is no law against overtaking - apart from when road signs or road markings prohibit it.

If someone overtakes me, I watch them carefully, and let them in, but it's no problem to me if someone else wants to go faster than me. All drivers must be aware of, and alert to, other vehicles who might perfectly legitimately overtake them.

FWIW I only overtake if it is safe to do so, which includes many factors, including the road and the road surroundings, and is there a big enough space ahead for me to overtake into without compromising other drivers? And I am not a boy racer either, but a very sober driver, who just likes to swoop along when they can and enjoy driving ! (The thread title is Spirited driving).
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Old 24th May 2022, 00:56
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I admit, if I’m on a road where I know there are speed traps, and I have someone driving close to my rear bumper, I’m more than happy to pull over and let them pass me.

Even if there aren’t speed traps and I’m happy with my speed, (and enjoying the scenery,) I’ll pull over and let someone pass.
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Old 24th May 2022, 07:53
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Originally Posted by visibility3miles View Post
I admit, if Iím on a road where I know there are speed traps, and I have someone driving close to my rear bumper, Iím more than happy to pull over and let them pass me.
Exactly.

If I'm not sure about the skill and/or judgement of the driver behind me, I'd far rather have them in front of me where I'm now in control of the gap between us.
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Old 24th May 2022, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
FWIW I only overtake if it is safe to do so, which includes many factors, including the road and the road surroundings, and is there a big enough space ahead for me to overtake into without compromising other drivers? And I am not a boy racer either, but a very sober driver, who just likes to swoop along when they can and enjoy driving ! (The thread title is Spirited driving).
I am sure that you do, or in your mind you believe you always do, but then again we are all good drivers, it is everyone around us who are rank incompetent. The reality is that most of us are adequate at best, some, a deal less than adequate.

As for the difference between "boy racing" and "spirited driving" there is a very fine line. Get away with it and it's "spirited", hit another vehicle, tree or at worst kill someone, that's "boy racing" or the euphemism "misfortune". A little akin to the fine line between genius and madness.
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Old 24th May 2022, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
I assume you mean braking gap, not breaking gap !

There is no law against overtaking - apart from when road signs or road markings prohibit it.

If someone overtakes me, I watch them carefully, and let them in, but it's no problem to me if someone else wants to go faster than me. All drivers must be aware of, and alert to, other vehicles who might perfectly legitimately overtake them.

FWIW I only overtake if it is safe to do so, which includes many factors, including the road and the road surroundings, and is there a big enough space ahead for me to overtake into without compromising other drivers? And I am not a boy racer either, but a very sober driver, who just likes to swoop along when they can and enjoy driving ! (The thread title is Spirited driving).
Aha ! more little gems and pearls of....???

Well let's be honest, somebody overtaking you can be, erm, "difficult to miss " really.

Yep. it's not a bad idea to overtake when it's safe to do so....strangely, most of also do this.. sort of .helps keeping alive after all.

Reassuring to learn you are a sober driver...although there are still plenty of selfish dangerous who aren't, plus those who indulge in "recreational use only " before driving. Watney's, many years ago, had an ad in which one chap says to the other " one for the road ? "....there again, drinking Watney's was never going to have much of an effect on the blood / alcohol level really.

But it's the bit about "swooping " that's bemusing...now birds and aircraft swoop, but cars ?
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Old 24th May 2022, 10:39
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I think I would be inclined towards a wording more towards putting the onus on the overtaking driver ensuring there is adequate space for them to move in to.
Highway code rule 162:Before overtaking you should make sure
  • the road is sufficiently clear ahead
  • road users are not beginning to overtake you
  • there is a suitable gap in front of the road user you plan to overtake.
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Old 25th May 2022, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
I assume you mean braking gap, not breaking gap !

There is no law against overtaking - apart from when road signs or road markings prohibit it.

If someone overtakes me, I watch them carefully, and let them in, but it's no problem to me if someone else wants to go faster than me. All drivers must be aware of, and alert to, other vehicles who might perfectly legitimately overtake them.

FWIW I only overtake if it is safe to do so, which includes many factors, including the road and the road surroundings, and is there a big enough space ahead for me to overtake into without compromising other drivers? And I am not a boy racer either, but a very sober driver, who just likes to swoop along when they can and enjoy driving ! (The thread title is Spirited driving).
Yes, braking (one of the reasons I usually have predictive text turned off, but when my phone automatically upgrades, it turns everything back on, and I don't always notice until I've buggered something up).
Your points are valid, but I find that as often as not leaving the advised braking gap works for only a few seconds, as someone will invariably fill it in next to no time.
As for dropping back to allow for that, it may work on quiet rural roads, but in urban districts, motorways or most A roads, there is usually some plum so close behind as to make that impossible without harsh braking ( I had to make a court appearance after such circumstances) which involved a car stuffed up the back end of my slightly less prestigious model.
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Old 25th May 2022, 11:39
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Originally Posted by TLDNMCL View Post
I find that as often as not leaving the advised braking gap works for only a few seconds, as someone will invariably fill it in next to no time.
You seem to be particularly unfortunate in your driving experience, if you regularly find that you are being overtaken by people who, for some strange reason, don't also want to overtake a car in front of you that's travelling at the same speed as you.

What roads do you find that happening on ?
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Old 25th May 2022, 16:37
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
You seem to be particularly unfortunate in your driving experience, if you regularly find that you are being overtaken by people who, for some strange reason, don't also want to overtake a car in front of you that's travelling at the same speed as you.

What roads do you find that happening on ?
I thought that was clearly pointed out in my earlier post.
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Old 25th May 2022, 17:25
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Originally Posted by TLDNMCL View Post
I thought that was clearly pointed out in my earlier post.
Not as far as I can see.

Personally, I have no problem with being overtaken by someone who wants to drive faster than me, nor with them slotting in ahead of me when a little easing of pressure on the accelerator by me will quickly restore the gap. I've rarely, if ever, encountered the situation where I've been overtaken by someone who doesn't then progress beyond other vehicles that were ahead of me and travelling at my speed.

Nor have I ever felt the need to brake suddenly to restore a gap.
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Old 25th May 2022, 19:57
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Not as far as I can see.

Personally, I have no problem with being overtaken by someone who wants to drive faster than me, nor with them slotting in ahead of me when a little easing of pressure on the accelerator by me will quickly restore the gap. I've rarely, if ever, encountered the situation where I've been overtaken by someone who doesn't then progress beyond other vehicles that were ahead of me and travelling at my speed.

Nor have I ever felt the need to brake suddenly to restore a gap.
Then you don't see too well! I would say that you have had a charmed driving experience compared with my unfortunate one.
Wildlife and other drivers permitting, long may it continue for you. 🍻
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Old 25th May 2022, 20:32
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Itís not difficult to see how insurance premiums diminish with advancing maturity. Thirty years ago I liked to Ďpress oní when conditions allowed and during my commute to work, I would hope to cruise at a steady 85mph on the motorway, early in the morning. Now long retired, the display I most look at is the MPG Ė especially now!

I canít think of many road trips in Britain that could be classed as a great drive, a few in remote parts of Wales and Scotland maybe but the most memorable have been in Europe on the bike.
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Old 25th May 2022, 20:38
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I've noticed just recently, here in the SE of England, especially in the morning, very aggressive tailgating if you stick to the speed limit.
30 seems to induce tail gating, provocation to ram and really nasty aggression if you maintain it in a 30. Especially Vans, Pickups and Trucks.
Tailgating in bad weather also seems to be the norm now. Not to mention no lane discipline on motorways.
I'm no angel or confess to be a good driver but I try to be a safe driver.
These days some people don't try or seem to care.
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Old 26th May 2022, 07:36
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From when I started driving 40 years ago, there are now 4 x the number of cars on the road than there were back then.

Roads are much busier as a result and it only takes one person doing the usual 38 to 44mph on a 60mph limit A road, to cause a queue of say 6 cars trundling along behind them. And if none of those want to overtake, it is impossible to get round 6/7 cars at once, so one has to do it one or two at a time. If those drivers are not aware and don't allow overtakers in, it causes frustration.

Another difficulty is when you have a person who - perfectly legitimately - does not wish to overtake the big slow truck or tractor, but unfortunately also doesn't leave a big enough gap behind the truck for an overtaker, meaning that an overtaker has to wait for enough road to pass both the car and the truck in one go. This also causes frustration.
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Old 26th May 2022, 13:37
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As the saying goes, "number two makes the queue".

Arguably, some of the most annoying and routinely dangerous drivers are those who pay little or no regard to speed limits or road conditions and have "their" speed.
I routinely commute along a seven mile long stretch of an 'A' class road which now has a reduced 50 mph limit and a couple of signposted cameras due to a relatively small number of serious accidents over the past few years. There are only three or four safe places to overtake along it. Since the speed reduction it's quite common to see some drivers doing 38 mph along it, holding up many vehicles behind them and apparently oblivious or uncaring to the fact. The accidents and near collisions continue because some people understandably get frustrated by these drivers and overtake where they shouldn't.

Yet some of the same slow drivers turn off into our village which has a 30 mph limit and 20 mph advisory zone due to a railway crossing and dangerous road junction immediately adjacent to an existing one by the school (Bassetlaw Planning Dept to blame for allowing said junction to be put in as access for a new housing development) and continue to drive at 38 mph or more.

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Old 26th May 2022, 16:20
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Most of those drivers doing 38 mph and thinking they are safe also drive at that speed in a 30 zone - particularly noticeable are older drivers who have one speed and one speed only, regardless of traffic conditions or weather.

They are usually the same ones who brake automatically when something comes the other way at night because their night vison is poor.

If you could give marks for situational awareness, mental capacity and prioritisation as we do in aviation, you could rid the roads of 30% of drivers overnight.
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Old 26th May 2022, 18:11
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One of the many issues with driving standards is that we pass a test and, unless choosing to take further training, never ever have our driving standards looked at again.

The UK Institute of Advanced Motorists did a great deal of research in order to explore ways of encouraging younger drivers to take advanced training, the current IAM membership average age is around late 50s I believe. The then chief executive made us laugh when she told us that in response to the question 'Do you consider yourself a) an above average, b) below average or c) average driver?' 95% of respondents rated themselves above average.

I have several friends who all rate themselves as good drivers when, in my view, they are far from it!

In conversation with an off duty police traffic officer when talking about driving standards he said two things about advanced training. Firstly, you can never have too much training and, secondly, it would transform my motorcycle riding.

Until very recently I held a licence for all categories of goods vehicles as well as public service vehicles and have passed the IAM test for both motorcycles and cars.
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Old 26th May 2022, 18:53
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One of the issues with overtaking is that half the drivers on the road have not had chance to practice. Half of the roads which used to have sufficient straight sections to allow safe passing of slower vehicles no longer do so. The local highways departments, who seem to have an unlimited budget that must be spent each year to stop it getting reduced, seem to take every opportunity to install some kerbs and lighted bollards at regular intervals just where the road used to be clear. If that is not enough, I know of a couple of short stretches of dual carriageway, ie two lanes in each direction with a patch of grass/trees along the centre which have been reduced to single lanes in each direction still with a central reservation. So instead of allowing a bit of safe overtaking everyone is constrained to follow the slowest vehicle. And speed limits reduced from 70mh dual carriageway signed down to 50mph (or 40mph). No wonder there is frustration spilling over...........

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Old 26th May 2022, 19:18
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Couldn't quite believe it when, having followed a 45 mph car in a 60 limit for several miles, he continued at 45 in a 30 limit. Nor did he observe the speed gun until too late. But the police dropped the gun and waved him through. Maybe a local????
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