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Old 21st May 2022, 11:26
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Thanks andytug above.
I once overtook the actual v12 Supra in Tokyo… and thereby hangs a story, but for another day.
So yes, thank you.
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Old 21st May 2022, 20:16
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Yawn ... if into spirited driving, do something about it, like acquiring a vehicle in or on which you can perform spirited driving, and find a suitable place for that ........ Just spent the day, hence wasted, racing together and against, in a friendly manner, a lot of lovely people of both genders. Only found out towards the end that the one often in front of me was a 14 year old !
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Old 21st May 2022, 21:04
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I've just returned from a few days in Victoria BC, where I was visiting my daughter. I got to drive her one-year* old Kia Niro EV.

What fun! I was driving in Eco mode and still managed to chirp the tires if I wasn't careful!

What was new to me and strange, was the regenerative braking. She had it set for maximum and I found that quite difficult. In that mode you rarely need to touch the brakes. You just back off the accelerator and the car starts braking.

I set it to mode zero, where the behaviour is more like a normal car, that is, no regenerative braking until you touch the brake pedal. I meant to read the manual before I left, but I forgot. I have been wondering if the different regenerative modes make a difference to the efficiency of the regeneration. Any experts like to comment?

* I was visiting her last year on the day she took delivery. She offered to let me drive it. I said "No thanks, I'll wait until you have some scratches on it!"

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Old 21st May 2022, 21:08
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End of January, I was driving back from Colorado in my M5. I was on I-84 in eastern Oregon - I wasn't going slow (~75mph in a 65 zone), but I don't drive crazy. While passing a big truck on a long uphill, I glanced in the mirror and spotted a black SUV closing very rapidly. Even though I was signally my intent and started moving over as soon as I was clear of the truck, this idiot passed me on the left shoulder - probably doing triple digits - throwing up a huge cloud of gravel and such from the shoulder. As he continued up the road, he came up on another pair of vehicles about a quarter mile in front of me - side by side as one passed the other. This pair he passed on the right shoulder - not slowing a bit and again throwing up a big cloud of gravel and other debris.
Somehow, I knew I was going to see this idiot again - sure enough about 25 miles up the road, there he was parked on the right shoulder, accompanied by not one, not two, but three Oregon State Patrol vehicles.
I smiled and gave a little honk on the horn as I went by
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Old 21st May 2022, 22:35
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Ah, that Karmic rush when we see the ones we cursed caught! Driving in Oregon always confuses me; I drive at traffic speed (otherwise you're just a mobile chicane) and have been amazed to find myself doing 80 mph in a 55 zone but Ill just be keeping up. In Washington, 75 in a 70 is totally acceptable and will never generate a ticket, but Oregon...... Driving on US 97 down towards Bend the limit is 55/60 but the road is open with no traffic and 70 seems more appropriate. California is another story as no limits seem to apply; it's like the wild west down there.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 07:28
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post



I also watch the car in front of the car in front, to keep a picture of what is happening well ahead.


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Love it !

Ah, straight from the JB "stating the bleeding obvious library of one million" (with acknowledgments to "Uncle Roger " here)

I think it would be fair to say, that, you aren't unique here..in fact, most of us do the same...saves trying to explain to your insurance company how you drove into the back of said vehicle after all...and the repair costs.

Coming soon surely from this same infinite library source " After I breathe in I then breathe out "

" California is another story as no limits seem to apply; it's like the wild west down there."

You are cordially invited to put your survival skills gained in California to the test here in the UK...first (but do ensure your last will and testament is current first please) in Lincolnshire where you will encounter the locals "driving concept "...also extends into Cambs / Norfolk and then, if you've survived thus far....Essex !

California may seem a bit, well, civilised and traffic law observant in comparison to Essex
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Old 22nd May 2022, 12:36
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As mentioned earlier in this thread the question was do the Teslarti ever use the full performance of their vehicles - well yes but
I have a Tesla MP3. Yes, it will do 0-60 in about 3.2 seconds. However, the only place I ever exercise the car, is leaving toll booths and joining the autoroute. 'Spirited driving' elsewhere is rewarded by everyone overtaken catching up at the next roundabout or junction so pointless. Maybe it's because Tesla drivers tend to be older and wiser that the majority just blend in
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Old 22nd May 2022, 13:45
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
........, I glanced in the mirror and spotted a black SUV closing very rapidly. Even though I was signally my intent and started moving over as soon as I was clear of the truck, this idiot passed me on the left shoulder - probably doing triple digits - throwing up a huge cloud of gravel and such from the shoulder. As he continued up the road, he came up on another pair of vehicles about a quarter mile in front of me - side by side as one passed the other. This pair he passed on the right shoulder - not slowing a bit and again throwing up a big cloud of gravel and other debris.
Somehow, I knew I was going to see this idiot again - sure enough about 25 miles up the road, there he was parked on the right shoulder, accompanied by not one, not two, but three Oregon State Patrol vehicles.
I smiled and gave a little honk on the horn as I went by
Stolen and/or drugs on board perhaps. Known to the police who laid in wait for them?

'Spirited driving' elsewhere is rewarded by everyone overtaken catching up at the next roundabout or junction so pointless.
Depends on the circumstances. Swooping along a series of nice open curves or open country road is not pointless, it is spirited driving. It is good fun !
The fact that the tortoises sometimes catch you up at the next lights or roundabout isn't the point at all. The point is enjoying a spirited drive rather than chugging along at 39mph in a long queue on a 60mph 'A' road that many people do here in the UK. And because it is a twisty road, and they are bunched together so close, you can't get past them easily !
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Old 22nd May 2022, 16:00
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post

Depends on the circumstances. Swooping along a series of nice open curves or open country road is not pointless, it is spirited driving. It is good fun !
The fact that the tortoises sometimes catch you up at the next lights or roundabout isn't the point at all. The point is enjoying a spirited drive rather than chugging along at 39mph in a long queue on a 60mph 'A' road that many people do here in the UK. And because it is a twisty road, and they are bunched together so close, you can't get past them easily !
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Well first, when, as a tortoise I catch up with some pillock who has just blasted me past me due to its balls overriding its brain, or being arrogant per se, or both, then if I'm inconsiderately driving within the limit, just what have they gained in terms of distance and time...the square root of SFA is the answer.

"spirited driving is good fun ! "..oh yah, I mean, there I was giving it a bit of wangy, dropped it smartly into thard, bit of dwift and the racing line coming out of the bend...and the, suddenly, there's some bloody livestock / domestic animals / cyclist / pedestrians on my road !

If you are a trained, Advanced driver then it's reasonable to assume you have the skills and experience to drive in a manner which is safe to do so. If not, you're a liability to yourself and every other road user . If "spirited driving " appeals, go on a circuit track day, or start rally cross or indeed drive anywhere that ensures you are safe and, more importantly, so are other road users from you enacting your driving fantasies on the public road .

Many years ago, not one, but two very good instructors, one civilian and one RAF both commenced their introductory instruction by saying, "remember, you're not a racing driver, they are trained and their exceptional..so don't, ever, think you are and try driving like one...or you'll end up dead. "

Being a thicko, I took their advice.

As for not overtaking in a queue of traffic on a twisty road, presumably you have a psychic ability to know what's coming the other way on the twists and curves.

Us mere mortals call this reticence to overtake on such... survival and defensive driving.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 17:16
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Well said!
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Old 23rd May 2022, 09:22
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Patience and "spirited driving " ...

Staffordshire Police probe claims van driver ran down ducks - BBC News
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Old 23rd May 2022, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Van drivers!! Probably worse than spirited drivers in my book. However, a lot of the blame falls on their employers that require them to make unrealistic numbers of drops and pick ups and pay their contracted owner drivers diddly squat in the process.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 12:57
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
I like to make progress - safely and within the conditions of the day - and I don't like to dawdle.

What irks me is four or five cars on an A or B road, doing well below the speed limit, (usually 44mph in a 50 or 60 limit), or following a tractor or a digger, and none are trying to pass it. OK, that is up to them. But the cars in the queue don't leave enough space in front of themselves for someone like me, (who does want to make some progress), to overtake them one by one and then the tractor/digger. So I end up dawdling along at an indicated 44 or 38, or 28 mph, depending on the posted limit, with no hope of being able to overtake all 6 vehicles in one go. Sometimes there is room to jump one place but then I sometimes get hooted at ! Look, dawdle if you want to, but don't object to me doing something about it and trying to get past the obstruction.

Then, hallelulia, the road opens up............but then they all speed up !!

I have no truck with motorway middle-lane hoggers either - I just drift past them in the inside lane; I don't see why I should have to accelerate and change three lanes out and back just to go round them.



PS saying that "BMW drivers do this" or "Audi drivers do that" etc. is similar to racism. Just sayin............
Ah, so you'll be the one who nips into the recommended breaking gap between vehicles then, rendering the efforts of others pointless.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 13:43
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My favourite route for spirited driving was in the 1970s, from Newport to Brecon. In a Lotus Elan. I never drove anyone else off the road.......
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Old 23rd May 2022, 14:21
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Originally Posted by TLDNMCL View Post
Ah, so you'll be the one who nips into the recommended breaking gap between vehicles then, rendering the efforts of others pointless.
"Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you."

(Highway Code 168)
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Old 23rd May 2022, 14:28
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
"Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you."

(Highway Code 168)
The Highway Code is in many cases wrong and out of touch, even more so since the latest round of updates that have made the roads more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists and motorists.

Rule 168 gives @rseholes in high powered vehicles and boy racers carte blanche to pretty well what they want, when they want and to hell with the majority who drive sensibly.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 16:57
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Rule 168 gives @rseholes in high powered vehicles and boy racers carte blanche to pretty well what they want, when they want and to hell with the majority who drive sensibly.
So you would presumably rewrite Rule 168 to read:

"Obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Maintain a dangerously close gap between your car and the one in front to prevent someone overtaking and pulling into the gap"

If it's all right with you, I think I'll drive in a way that conforms with the original wording.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 17:02
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
So you would presumably rewrite Rule 168 to read:

"Obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Maintain a dangerously close gap between your car and the one in front to prevent someone overtaking and pulling into the gap"

If it's all right with you, I think I'll drive in a way that conforms with the original wording.
I think I would be inclined towards a wording more towards putting the onus on the overtaking driver ensuring there is adequate space for them to move in to.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 18:18
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I think I would be inclined towards a wording more towards putting the onus on the overtaking driver ensuring there is adequate space for them to move in to.
Yep, one of the many reasons driving became an unattractive travel option for me years ago.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 18:44
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My car has a button that, when engaged, automatically maintains a safe distance behind the vehicle in front. The distance is variable but I have it set to max. When the prat with no patience steals my braking distance, my car just drops back on its own, popping a bit of charge in the battery at the same time. It takes all the stress out, provided they leave my brightwork intact, as they cut in. Perhaps it should be a mandatory fitting?
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