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Old 29th Aug 2021, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
That's how it is in a number of countries, by law. Don't like it, don't go there.
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Just because something is carried out because that's what the law stipulates doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with or like it or that those that don't agree with it can't voice their opinions.
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Old 29th Aug 2021, 21:15
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We had this compulsory 'Service Charge' on a cruise. I went along with it knowing no better but it was about £800. Whether the Philippine/Malayan/Indian slaves got any of it I do not know.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 08:24
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Of course, in some countries waiting staff must, by law, be paid a fair wage on which they can live (if they work full hours). If they do a superior job they still get tips. if they just do a fair job they get a fair wage, and if they do a poor job they get the sack, or no shifts if they're casuals.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 09:20
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I once left a large tip for a waitress in a Miami restaurant despite not even ordering any food. She was lovely, her boss however was a complete nasty little , tearing her off a strip in front of us for god knows what reason. We decided not to trouble his establishment any further and told him why on the way out. I hope she did likewise.

People like him tend do well in organisations like the SS. It's entirely possible I might even have made that observation to him...
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 09:22
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
I shouldn't have said "by law", I was thinking of taxation of tips.
For countries using service charge, or some such, see link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratuity
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Thanks for the clarification, Per, that makes a lot more sense to me now.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 09:39
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
I once left a large tip for a waitress in a Miami restaurant despite not even ordering any food. She was lovely, her boss however was a complete nasty little , tearing her off a strip in front of us for god knows what reason. We decided not to trouble his establishment any further and told him why on the way out. I hope she did likewise.

People like him tend do well in organisations like the SS. It's entirely possible I might even have made that observation to him...
This is US-specific, but I generally tip on the receipt and if I've received good service, will also tip with cash, and usually only to the person who provided good service. I don't know if the US laws have changed recently, but they allow tyrant bar and restaurant owners to pay their workers much less than the minimum wage and justify it by saying their staff makes up the difference in tips. Some owners even take a portion of the tips for themselves, hence the cash tip.

There's only been one time I've never tipped in a US restaurant and it was at a fairly well-known Irish bar in San Francisco. My partner and I ordered Irish stew and it was served with beef. We complained and the cook (I hesitate to say "chef") ended up coming to our table with a boneless leg of lamb in his hands and told us this is what was in our stews. I politely pointed out that if it was in our stew it wouldn't be in his hands. I didn't bother to also explain you don't use boneless leg of lamb in an Irish stew. We paid for what we ate and drank and left with a big zero in the tip section of the bill (check for those in the US).
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 18:32
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If the service charge is included then no extra tip. I tip as appropriate, but none of this 10% US nonsense, and to be honest US service when I was there as a student in 70,s was good, now pretty poor in my limited experience. I do not go there much anymore in fact , 2years since my last experience.

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Old 31st Aug 2021, 03:31
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Tipping in the US isn't 10% any more. The "service charge" usually appended for groups of 6 or more is more likely to be 18%. When my wife and I go to a restaurant I'm more likely to tip 20% at the low end to 25% at really good restaurants. One sad thing is that in my state (California) the law says that wait staff can split tips, but the kitchen staff cannot participate. That seems stupid to me, and I'm starting to see restaurants increase their prices with no tipping, so that kitchen staff can get some of the action.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 08:05
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Thanks for that, MarcK - similar story here. As for the service charge of 18% for groups, that is really common everywhere in the US and I don't mind it as it's there on the menu in the first place so you can make an informed choice. As for places in the US with no tipping, the last time I did a road trip in the US was in California and we tried our best to find restaurants that had a no-tipping policy. There weren't many but we did find one although I forget where it was (I can look it up if you're interested).

I have to say, it felt really weird not tipping as I've lived in the US for a long time now. However, the food was great, the staff seemed very happy and the service was wonderful and yes, the prices were higher but we left feeling full and happy that all the staff was at least being paid a living wage, including the kitchen staff. And if memory serves, I think I did leave a little cash tip on the table - it just felt wrong to leave without tipping for excellent service.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 08:16
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I fail to understand the whole concept of tipping staff in certain professions for simply "doing their job". Nobody tips a police officer for attending a road traffic collision, or the aftermath of a burglary. Nobody tips the bus driver from driving the bus safely and getting them to their destination, or the checkout operator for swiftly processing the weekly grocery shop.

It is, or at least it ought to be, the responsibility of employers to pay staff properly for the job they are employed to do and I for one hardly ever tip. There have been rare occasions, such as one a few years ago where an airport employee didn't just push my mother through to landside in an airport wheelchair, but insisted in pushing her all the way to the car park. That went above and beyond what he could have been expected to do, and he got a tip - as much as anything else because I feel sure, had his boss found out, he would have been disciplined.

How does a service charge in a restaurant ever been justified when you can't "self serve"; that is place your order with the kitchen, and then collect it when it has been cooked, and clean and reset the tables afterwards. That is what a restaurant is paid to do, it isn't some kind of optional extra.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 08:50
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I also fail to see why, if I order an expensive steak and a bottle of wine, rather than a beer and a burger, I am expected to leave a bigger tip, based on a percentage of the bill. The amount of work is the same, as far as the server is concerned. Surely a flat rate tip would be a fairer system.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 09:39
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We had this compulsory 'Service Charge' on a cruise. I went along with it knowing no better but it was about £800. Whether the Philippine/Malayan/Indian slaves got any of it I do not know.
I had the same thing on a cruise, this is the compulsory tip, there was also an optional tip available if you wanted to pay more.

The tip percentage may have increased in US restaurants in response to a stagnation or lowering of the hourly rate.

If a business model relies on paying extremely low wages and passing the responsibility of making up a living wage onto the customers, then it is wrong. CEO pay has risen exponentially in comparison to ordinary workers pay, from 20 times in 1965 to 58 times in 1989 and 278 times today. Pay a living minimum wage, and if this means CEO compensation has to be reduced, then so be it.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 09:55
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ATNotts and wowzz - I agree with both of you, but when it comes to the US many who work in restaurants or bars won't get a living wage unless they are tipped. It's wrong but that's how it is. And I agree even more with krismiler.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 10:54
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
I had the same thing on a cruise, this is the compulsory tip, there was also an optional tip available if you wanted to pay more.

The tip percentage may have increased in US restaurants in response to a stagnation or lowering of the hourly rate.

If a business model relies on paying extremely low wages and passing the responsibility of making up a living wage onto the customers, then it is wrong. CEO pay has risen exponentially in comparison to ordinary workers pay, from 20 times in 1965 to 58 times in 1989 and 278 times today. Pay a living minimum wage, and if this means CEO compensation has to be reduced, then so be it.
Cruise lines catering mainly to UK or Australian cruisers, such as P&O and Saga, have done away with the autogratuitues altogether, which seems much more sensible. Indeed, P&O say any tipping is neither "required, nor expected".
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 15:16
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Sales personnel frequently receive commission on items they sell as an incentive to work harder. This also lowers the fixed cost to the employer which helps when business is down. Typically, the percentage isn't known to the customer and there is no option not to pay.

This might be a fairer system for waiters if they got a basic hourly rate and a percentage of the bill. Menues would display a set price including tax and service charges, with nothing additional expected. Employees would receive the same pay for the same job, whereas at the moment a pretty young white girl would likely earn more in tips than than a middle age black man.

Employers wouldn't be stuck with high labor costs on quiet nights, staff would be rewarded for working harder on busy nights and customers would know what they were going to pay and not have to bother with tips.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 19:31
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Tipping in the US is now an exact science. It is crazy. I donít mind tipping at all but it should be a nice extra for good food and great service. And there should never be a need to get a calculator out!
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 22:27
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In a California restaurant the waiter actually wrote on the bill the tip he expected. I left the usual 15% - much less than that demanded.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 00:22
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As a customer, I expect good service from any business I patronize. If I'm not looked after properly, I'll go somewhere else and take my money with me. A waiter hands you a menu, tries to get you to order food that the restaurant needs to get rid of i.e. the "special", gives your order to the kitchen and carries the plate back when it's ready. It's not rocket science.

In Australia, the mandatory pay rates for staff working on public holidays can make it uneconomic for a restaurant to open its doors on these days and they either close or impose a surcharge. Many establishments have done away with waiters altogether due to the high cost of full time employees. Customers place their order and pay at the counter. They are given a buzzer which sounds when their order is ready and they go and collect it.

This is far less popular in the US as a restaurant owners hourly rate for wait staff is very low and the customers pay their wages for him.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 07:35
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Just playing devil's advocate here, but for those who don't tip or who don't want to, do you still tip taxi drivers? (I'm thinking UK here since I'm not so familiar with other countries other than the US). That's if you take taxis these days. I guess this also might include Uber etc., although I've never used a service like that in the UK so am not familiar with how it works there.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 07:52
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
Just playing devil's advocate here, but for those who don't tip or who don't want to, do you still tip taxi drivers? (I'm thinking UK here since I'm not so familiar with other countries other than the US). That's if you take taxis these days. I guess this also might include Uber etc., although I've never used a service like that in the UK so am not familiar with how it works there.
Assuming the taxi fare is in the region of £10 to £20, I would normally round up to the nearest £, plus £1. So a £14.60 fare would generate a tip of £1.40.
For Uber, my payment profile generates an automatic 10% tip for driver.
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