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Old 31st Jul 2021, 17:58
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Scotland - Leading Europe

Congrats to Scotland and the SNP. A truly world class achievement, leading not only the UK in drug related deaths, but the whole of Europe.
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/news/2...ed-deaths-rise
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 18:23
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Originally Posted by cabbages View Post
Congrats to Scotland and the SNP. A truly world class achievement, leading not only the UK in drug related deaths, but the whole of Europe.
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/news/2...ed-deaths-rise
Do you lay this number at the door of the SNP, the UK govt, or other cause.?
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 18:50
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Drugs/Drink is a huge problem in scotland - and also in their wisdom 'they' have spread the Druggies throughout our community ,not far from where I live you can end up with a family + young kids living right next door to really dodgy characters imported from (say) Dundee into our wee country town.
In the street behind us one of the ladies is often kept awake by Drug/Drink parties in the front garden of the cooncil hoose opposite which has been given to a 16 year old boy .
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There does seem to be a tendency for countries/territories located in far Northern latitudes to have a higher number of alcohol consumption/abuse and these days drugs. Maybe it's the lack of vitamin D and longer cold and dark days that leads to depressive episodes that when mixed with substances starts a death-spiral that is very difficult to pull out of. It's usually a hardcore of users (drugs) that swarm to an area and it usually stays there (Zurich's Spritzer Park for example back in the 80's/90's), ugly but controlled in a fashion, but if these lost souls are then exported to all points in Scotland by ill thought out policies, it's no wonder that it has spread.
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Do you lay this number at the door of the SNP, the UK govt, or other cause.?
The short answer is that I don't know the reason. But one can hardly blame the UK Government, as Scotland's rate is about 3 times the rest of the UK.

Unless you are blaming it on the very devolution which the UK Government facilitated. And of course, Health is a devolved responsibility.
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead View Post
The short answer is that I don't know the reason. But one can hardly blame the UK Government, as Scotland's rate is about 3 times the rest of the UK.

Unless you are blaming it on the very devolution which the UK Government facilitated. And of course, Health is a devolved responsibility.
Treatment of addiction is a health issue. I am not sure addressing the underlying cause is.
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Yet another area where statistics tell only part of the story. Drug deaths due to what causes ? Excessive consumption, poor quality, social conditions, encouragement by 'vendors', accessibility etc., etc.? And then, there's the official reaction - greater assistance or greater attempted repression ? Comparison with the other addictive drug, alcohol, is interesting , and could be informative, if notice was taken of the consequences of attempts at prohibition - but that needs commonsense ... an uncommon talent !!
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Old 1st Aug 2021, 19:18
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The little village a few miles up the road (pop < 200) has 3 Drug Dealers,one of whom lives next door to the village bobby - the bobby is a drug user,police scotland are obviously aware of the village circumstances as they consistently have to attend to drug related trouble in the village.
Treatment for drug users is to give them methadone AFAIK - the trouble is that once drug users/addicts are absolutely hooked on drugs/methadone they get into a downward spiral that I doubt many can recover from - like many other problems in life - anybody wanting to recover must absolutely want to recover - I do not see much evidence of that amongst the addicts I see up here,they seem to be happy to remain absolutely 'wasted' and of course they are getting paid/housed anyway.
When I returned to scotland 7 years ago I met up with my new young lady and her daughter at Stirling Bus Station,before we departed by car I visited the 'Gents' and was surprised to find it was completely decked out in Ultra Violent colours - after I rejoined the Ladies I asked ''Why is the Gents decorated in purple ?'' - straight away the Daughter said ''So that the Druggies cannot find a vein to shoot up'' - to say I was shocked would be an understatement.
We are certainly not short of Druggies/Alcoholics up here - it is a very sad sight and very different from when I was a lad in Fife and the biggest problem in the town was the town Drunk stotting around the place singing loudly.
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You can add the worst diet in Europe to that as well. Who else would deep fry pizza and Mars bars ?

https://www.scottishfield.co.uk/cult...rst-in-europe/
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Todayís report for England and Wales isnít exactly a shining beacon.

Drug deaths in England and Wales highest since 1993 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58070848

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Interesting that the highest rate of drug deaths in England is in the North East, and the lowest is in London. Taking into account Scotlandís problem it does seem that the areas worst affected by Thatcherís policies also seem to have the biggest drug problem, and the biggest beneficiary has the lowest.

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So they are still directly affected by something that ceased to be over 30 years ago?
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So they are still directly affected by something that ceased to be over 30 years ago?
Well of course. Decline doesn't happen overnight.
Children brought up with deprivation and neglect are less likely to turn their lives around and so on.. and the vicious circle continues.

The kids of 30 years ago are now having their children.
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So they are still directly affected by something that ceased to be over 30 years ago?
If you read the article you would have seen:-

ďThe highest rate of deaths relating to drug misuse was in the North East of England, where 104.6 deaths were recorded per million people, and the lowest was in London, where that figure was 33.1.

In terms of age, the highest rate was among people aged 45-49. ď

ďThe ONS suggested the increase could possibly be down to an ageing cohort of drug users suffering from the effects of long-term use, as well as new trends in taking certain drugs - including gabapentinoids and benzodiazepines - at the same time as heroin or morphine.ď

So yes, I would suggest that the current problem has itís roots in the turmoil and deprivation suffered by those areas in the Ď80ís.
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Drug laws are reserved to Westminster.
Scotland is keen to introduce safe consumption rooms and may now go ahead defying Westminster.
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I notice the OP never answered to post #2 or any subsequent posts. Now you have read the replies, what do you think cabbages?
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Nothing is going to work now to break the drugs cycle in scotland - I would say that the problem is now so big that it is self perpetuating - even in our small town I often see druggies/alchies pushing a pushchair with (say) 2 small kids on board,the kids usually look terrible - what chance in life are they going to have ? they will grow up with drugs and drink being the absolute norm.

Scotland is keen to introduce safe consumption rooms and may now go ahead defying Westminster.
That is not going to solve the problem though is it ?
The Druggies are given (say) methadone for free and then most of them probably 'top up' with some other drugs and booze whilst on a 'high' at home,the long term users/addicts up here just look terrible,their bodies are absolutely ravaged by many years of drugs abuse and they walk and talk in very distinctive ways.

I guess one other problem might be that drugs might well be considered to be 'cool' - just like ciggie smoking still is to many kids

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So yes, I would suggest that the current problem has itís roots in the turmoil and deprivation suffered by those areas in the Ď80ís.
Add to that the ease of obtaining drugs nowadays,it is big big business and there are obviously many people gullible enough to try drugs and allow themselves to get 'hooked',probably convincing themselves along the way that they can 'handle' it.
How many times have I heard the phrase '' I am a user not an addict''.
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One of my former colleagues (ex Northern Ireland) looked a bit puzzled and asked, "Why don't they kneecap the dealers?"
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Old 4th Aug 2021, 18:44
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I notice the OP never answered to post #2 or any subsequent posts. Now you have read the replies, what do you think cabbages?
New here? Some posters will jump on the flimsiest pretext for Scotland-bashing. Many comments about Nicola Sturgeon's appearance, for example.
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