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Old 26th Jul 2021, 21:00
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Surely this is still racism.

I can just imagine the outcry (and probably a few demonstrations as well) if a UK television network announced that for one day they would be removing all black presenters & reporters and replacing them with white people and that only programs written, directed and with only white actors would be aired that day yet it seems that it's perfectly acceptable to have a black program day.
Choosing presenters, actors, directors and writers based purely on their colour is racism whether that colour is black or white and I fail to see how this can do anything but to cause further divide across the country.
Black to Front | Channel 4

Trevor McDonald is taking over the roll of presenting Countdown and I wonder if Rachel Riley is going to be replaced by Diane Abbott as the maths expert?
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Old 26th Jul 2021, 21:15
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It seems to come across as though the media are almost trying too hard to be “right on” - a bit like the fact that virtually every advert now has a person of colour in it. I often thought that the MOBO awards were a form of inverted racism too. It would be totally inappropriate and insulting to have an annual award ceremony that actively celebrated music of white origin only.

By doing this sort of thing, it emphasises and creates further division. I’m sure most people aren’t worried about what race, creed or colour their news presenter is or whether a play is directed by an Asian, African or a European. As long as they do a good job, that’s all that matters.
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ah, the inevitable meme. You don’t have to travel that much to realise that racism is not just a trendy issue for white virtue signallers. It’s everywhere, amongst and against all cultures. It seems to be a natural part of human makeup.

Surely the abolition of racism requires us to be blind and uncaring about a person’s colour or ethnicity, not to highlight colour as a point of difference between people, as seems to be the case here.


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Old 27th Jul 2021, 01:40
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I find it interesting that members of a particular race often accuse authorities, such as police and immigration, of racism when under scrutiny when it is plain they are just doing their job.
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Chicago mayor will not talk to white reporters.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/19/chicag...ite-reporters/
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 03:45
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Originally Posted by IBMJunkman View Post
Chicago mayor will not talk to white reporters.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/19/chicag...ite-reporters/
A Lightfoot spokesperson later clarified that the protest only pertains to interviews about her anniversary in office.”

Not exactly the same headline now is it?
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…Not exactly the same headline now is it?
If you read the article, the headline is essentially correct. Not sure why you’d be trying to obfuscate.
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 05:19
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood View Post
If you read the article, the headline is essentially correct. Not sure why you’d be trying to obfuscate.
I did read it, where do you think the quote I used came from? The mayor will only give one to one interviews to black reporters on the specific subject of her anniversary in office. This to highlight a specific issue and is the limit of her refusal.
She is not, as your post suggests, refusing to talk to white reporters. It would have better to amplify the circumstances of her refusal in your post, but that would have diluted the inflammatory impact of your post As I said, not quite so much the headline.
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I'll be glad to listen to comments on this subject from anyone (regardless of race, creed or color) whose ancestors were enslaved any time in the past 400 years.

Others don't really have anything useful or informed to contribute.
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
I'll be glad to listen to comments on this subject from anyone (regardless of race, creed or color) whose ancestors were enslaved any time in the past 400 years.

Others don't really have anything useful or informed to contribute.
Good for you and all other virtue signallers who try and shut down discussion any discussion of race, lest they have to defend the indefensible.
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 06:14
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
I'll be glad to listen to comments on this subject from anyone (regardless of race, creed or color) whose ancestors were enslaved any time in the past 400 years.
That audience will be larger than you imagine if we include ethnic cleansing, partition or displacement due to famine etc. Over half of Europe qualifies based on the last 100 years alone.

SASless has hit the nail squarely on the head in that when we stop subdividing ourselves into distinct groups, then we will have no differences to point at.
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
I'll be glad to listen to comments on this subject from anyone (regardless of race, creed or color) whose ancestors were enslaved any time in the past 400 years.

Others don't really have anything useful or informed to contribute.
That would be pretty much everybody as women were effectively enslaved in most societies until not that long ago. Still is the case in some places.

Anyway, what has that got to do with the subject of the thread?
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I'll be glad to listen to comments on this subject from anyone (regardless of race, creed or color) whose ancestors were enslaved any time in the past 400 years.
Would you listen to a person whose white anglo forebears chased and captured slave ships?
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If you look for racism, you’ll find it. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, just many of things blamed upon it have other causes or factors involved.

February:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...n-b920127.html

July:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...2011to2014/pdf

Declaration if interests:

My parents and ancestors were all Irish Catholic peasant farmers and did not enjoy any benefit of “white privilege” either in Ireland, or after moving to the UK in the 1940s….


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https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...ish-need-apply




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pattern is full, Perhaps you would like to listen to this guy:

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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
If you look for racism, you’ll find it. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, just many of things blamed upon it have other causes or factors involved.

February:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...n-b920127.html

July:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...2011to2014/pdf

Declaration if interests:

My parents and ancestors were all Irish Catholic peasant farmers and did not enjoy any benefit of “white privilege” either in Ireland, or after moving to the UK in the 1940s….


https://www.libraryireland.com/Histo...Penal-Laws.php

https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...ish-need-apply


Thank you ORAC, my parents were also Irish Catholics who came to England as, what we would call now, economic migrants. They were from a dirt poor background working for a landowner (non Irish) who provided them with a very basic roof over their head but nothing more, they had no rights and the owner could and would retain someone merely on a whim, so they were pretty much slaves too. It didn’t happen exclusively to “persons of colour” Mine and your family clearly experienced experienced subjugation and prejudice too - despite being white.

A lot of those who scream foul about slavery forget that often Africans sold into slavery were betrayed by those of their own race doing deals with slavers and that the British, once they had abolished the practice, set up the navy’s West Africa Squadron to pursue slave ships in an attempt to repatriate those captured.


https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/th...ainst-slavery/
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It should be noted that whilst such things were happening in Ireland, and when the British, through the RN, were helping stamp out the Atlantic slave trade, it continued in the Ottoman Empire until 1909, the majority of their slaves being white Christians from the Balkans and other Eastern European regions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...Ottoman_Empire

https://link.springer.com/content/pd...7297-9%2F1.pdf

I'll be glad to listen to comments on this subject from anyone (regardless of race, creed or color) whose ancestors were enslaved any time in the past 400 years.
That will be the PM Boris Johnson then? His Turkish grandfather, Ali Kemâl Bey, was the son of an Ottoman Circassian slave…..
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Surely the abolition of racism requires us to be blind and uncaring about a person’s colour or ethnicity, not to highlight colour as a point of difference between people, as seems to be the case here.
Indeed it does. However, we are far from anywhere near that scenario, hence channel 4's decision to highlight the issue, for, one, day.
One day, 24hrs, to show that as a society we still have certain groups under represented in TV production.

I remember Moira Stuart coming on TV to read the news. I was a child, the person I was with at the time, a female adult, immediately shouted "look another bloody foreigner!"
That wasn't that long ago. We still have a way to go.

Some people, the OP may be one of them, still don't get it.

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