The Shooting of Sasha Johnson
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I'm afraid I can raise no exitement or interest whatsoever in the whys and wherefores. and particularly guesses at the possible motives of yet one more act of violent stupidity. Perhaps some concern over the motives of those, who have no involvement, initiating the discussion.
To M Mouse and the drugs v alcohol.
Can you explain, or provide a reference which does explain, why drug addiction is harmfully equivalent to alcohol addiction?
From conversations I have had with serving police officers the desparation drug addicts have to maintain that addiction fuels a large percentage of burglary, theft and the like.
Seems to me that we are dealing with custom, prejudice and absence of logic.
Burglary to sustain the habit ? Q - why? A.- because the costs are artificially high because of the nature of the 'supply chain'
Q. - Who benefits from these difficulties ? A.- The suppliers. Q. Who are the suppliers ? A. - Criminal enterprises. Q. What advantage would there be to making drug USE legal, properly controlled and provided by the State ? A. - Much lower costs and affordable supplies and an income to the Exchequer on a par with the tax on alcohol products. - ergo - less need for crime to generate the purchase price.
Q. - What other benefits ? A. - A massive reduction in policing costs and manpower in pursuing a non-winnable 'battle' with the drug barons.
I'm getting a tired typing finger, but I think you get my drift. Oh, sorry - Q. - What problems ? A. - Disgruntled specialist plods losing their 'empires' and a veritable torrent of anguished correspondence from 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' et al while recovering from their hangovers.
All quite pointless, of course, logic isn't included in this discourse.
To M Mouse and the drugs v alcohol.
Can you explain, or provide a reference which does explain, why drug addiction is harmfully equivalent to alcohol addiction?
From conversations I have had with serving police officers the desparation drug addicts have to maintain that addiction fuels a large percentage of burglary, theft and the like.
Seems to me that we are dealing with custom, prejudice and absence of logic.
Burglary to sustain the habit ? Q - why? A.- because the costs are artificially high because of the nature of the 'supply chain'
Q. - Who benefits from these difficulties ? A.- The suppliers. Q. Who are the suppliers ? A. - Criminal enterprises. Q. What advantage would there be to making drug USE legal, properly controlled and provided by the State ? A. - Much lower costs and affordable supplies and an income to the Exchequer on a par with the tax on alcohol products. - ergo - less need for crime to generate the purchase price.
Q. - What other benefits ? A. - A massive reduction in policing costs and manpower in pursuing a non-winnable 'battle' with the drug barons.
I'm getting a tired typing finger, but I think you get my drift. Oh, sorry - Q. - What problems ? A. - Disgruntled specialist plods losing their 'empires' and a veritable torrent of anguished correspondence from 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' et al while recovering from their hangovers.
All quite pointless, of course, logic isn't included in this discourse.
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Can you back that up ? Whilst significant in some areas ( cocaine I'm guessing ) I am reasonably certain they are not the biggest users overall.
There is now very heavy use by the less wealthy levels of society where drug gangs can operate much more openly and don’t even need to go through intermediaries. Debts, disrespect and scores can be settled directly. Many of the shootings and stabbings are a result of turf wars between suppliers.
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Is the question of who is using the stuff relevant ? Is it better or worse for some overpaid idiot to have an 'up-market' snort as against some equally brain-dead 'druggy' in a back alley. Both are stupid, both are likely to become addicted and only one will be viewed seriously by the plods. None of tis is new - the 'upper echelons' on Caribbean islands, the 'rich and famous' of the entertainment industry - all potential hopheads or line sniffers. Just as prevalent, if less discussed, a century ago. Why, oh why, do we try to convince ourselves and others that we can reduce the problem, let alone solve it ? Yet another multi million drugs 'bust' will be trumpeted in the media as some sort of success, whereas it is just another expense accepted as inevitable by the suppliers - and they put their prices up to compensate.
Someone was questioning the similarities I saw in the ill-effects of drugs versus alcohol. I have NO experience of drug related problems but I have, had frequent (and serious) problems relating to alcohol addiction - Two of my skippers were alcoholics, one ceased flying in his 20s having suffered drink related problems, the other had become an airborne liability among other problems. In respect of third party 'harm' comparisons, I believe that there are no recorded assessments made of the influence of drunkeness in RTAs nor a table of resultant fatalities; 'domestcs' attributable to drunkeness are fairly common knowledge.
Someone was questioning the similarities I saw in the ill-effects of drugs versus alcohol. I have NO experience of drug related problems but I have, had frequent (and serious) problems relating to alcohol addiction - Two of my skippers were alcoholics, one ceased flying in his 20s having suffered drink related problems, the other had become an airborne liability among other problems. In respect of third party 'harm' comparisons, I believe that there are no recorded assessments made of the influence of drunkeness in RTAs nor a table of resultant fatalities; 'domestcs' attributable to drunkeness are fairly common knowledge.
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I dont think there is the political will and its too politically unpalatable to address this black/black gun crime for what it is. Fair enough saying its letting the (black) victims down but - our current society seems to assess 'victimhood' on a graduating scale- like Top Trumps. Black demograph on a whole out trumps a black victim of another black person.
The police are still reeling from the accusations of systemic racism. There is a docu on YouTube called Raw Blues 2000 - a fly-on-the-wall documentary that follows a group from day one of their initial police training. Part of the syllabus is a role play exercise where a black person challenges being stopped and searched. They are then de-briefed by the black person. Essentially-the message from him was: "you need to be a bit more careful when considering stopping black people,as you don't know what their previous experiences with law enforcement may have been like".
There was then discussion amongst the trainees and it was quite evident that a couple spotted what the narrative was and started trying to 'score points' by criticising other trainee's actions. Watch it from 01:06:30 and see for yourselves.
Black/black gun crime can never be effectively prevented whilst its deemed incorrect to be robust with certain demographs whilst enforcing the law.
The police are still reeling from the accusations of systemic racism. There is a docu on YouTube called Raw Blues 2000 - a fly-on-the-wall documentary that follows a group from day one of their initial police training. Part of the syllabus is a role play exercise where a black person challenges being stopped and searched. They are then de-briefed by the black person. Essentially-the message from him was: "you need to be a bit more careful when considering stopping black people,as you don't know what their previous experiences with law enforcement may have been like".
There was then discussion amongst the trainees and it was quite evident that a couple spotted what the narrative was and started trying to 'score points' by criticising other trainee's actions. Watch it from 01:06:30 and see for yourselves.
Black/black gun crime can never be effectively prevented whilst its deemed incorrect to be robust with certain demographs whilst enforcing the law.
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
Why was the mother of two (or three ?) young children at a party at 03:00 anyway ?
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey
Over the weekend I saw news items on the BBC app that showed two possibly three teenagers being stabbed to death in the UK.
From memory they indicated gang feuds. The youngest being 14.
The articles were only on the front page for a few hours.
I cannot easily find them on the main website either.
From memory they indicated gang feuds. The youngest being 14.
The articles were only on the front page for a few hours.
I cannot easily find them on the main website either.
To underline that point, this from the BBC today,
Hyde Park stabbing: Police release images of suspects - BBC News
And to show this not the exception, this also from the BBC
Brixton shooting: Pelting of police 'abhorrent' - BBC News
The common factor?. This is crime committed by gangs of immigrant criminal thugs.
Last edited by Thaihawk; 4th Jun 2021 at 16:47. Reason: Add a link
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One point I'm not sure has been aired on here, and apologies if it has, and that is Ms Johnson has left BLM and formed a new party with one or both of the Corbyn brothers. Ms Johnson is a full-on Marxist agitator.
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Originally Posted by Thaihawk
One point I'm not sure has been aired on here, and apologies if it has, and that is Ms Johnson has left BLM and formed a new party with one or both of the Corbyn brothers. Ms Johnson is a full-on Marxist agitator.
The first teensy detail is the convenient omission of something known as a corroborative / accredited source for the statement .
The second little detail is, although to be fair on JB anybody who expresses even the most tenuous support for left wing policies, is, by default, a fully established " Marxist / Leninist / Trot / Pinko ", along with forming a "left wing mob " at any peaceful demonstration is presumably included to add credence to the first.
Tabs please !
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
The first teensy detail is the convenient omission of something known as a corroborative / accredited source for the statement .
The lesser Corbyn is denying it so one of them is telling porkies.
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
Allow me to google that for you....
Sasha Johnson BLM and Piers Corbyn have merged parties. - YouTube
The lesser Corbyn is denying it so one of them is telling porkies.
Sasha Johnson BLM and Piers Corbyn have merged parties. - YouTube
The lesser Corbyn is denying it so one of them is telling porkies.
In view of your contribution, please feel free to indulge yourself with one of your culinary delights, Staffordshire Oat Cakes. Never let it be said us Guardian readers are ungrateful souls you understand
Tabs please !
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Thank you Mr Chips. I will buy myself some next time I am passing. I note your invitation to put my own hand in my pocket, the generosity of a Grauniad reader has no beginning 
Are they socialist treats in that they cannot be tasty until everyone thinks they are tasty ? Sorry, couldn't resist.
Are they socialist treats in that they cannot be tasty until everyone thinks they are tasty ? Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
Thank you Mr Chips. I will buy myself some next time I am passing. I note your invitation to put my own hand in my pocket, the generosity of a Grauniad reader has no beginning
Are they socialist treats in that they cannot be tasty until everyone thinks they are tasty ? Sorry, couldn't resist.
Are they socialist treats in that they cannot be tasty until everyone thinks they are tasty ? Sorry, couldn't resist.
Tabs please !
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Those were pikelets as recommended by my old chum Flytest, and very tasty they were too. It was also great to see a local business thriving with customers queuing out the door.
I'm all for the redistribution of wealth through entrepreneurship i.e. selling excellent product at a fair price and supporting the underpinning supply chain. I can't see any merit in the forced redistribution of wealth to the point where everyone is equally miserable. It stops the population being self-reliant.
Anyway back to the plot. Isn't it ironic that the state which Ms Johnson so openly despises has spent tens of thousands keeping her alive. A little humility and gratitude will be too much to ask.
I'm all for the redistribution of wealth through entrepreneurship i.e. selling excellent product at a fair price and supporting the underpinning supply chain. I can't see any merit in the forced redistribution of wealth to the point where everyone is equally miserable. It stops the population being self-reliant.
Anyway back to the plot. Isn't it ironic that the state which Ms Johnson so openly despises has spent tens of thousands keeping her alive. A little humility and gratitude will be too much to ask.
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
Anyway back to the plot. Isn't it ironic that the state which Ms Johnson so openly despises has spent tens of thousands keeping her alive. A little humility and gratitude will be too much to ask.
