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Old 13th May 2021, 10:11
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I guess we have all seen the amazing videos of Israel's Iron Dome system in action recently. From a technical point of view, I find it very interesting. It's hard to tell what is really going on in these videos, but it looks like the outgoing, defense projectiles climb to above their target and then dive down onto them? Or am I seeing outgoing projectiles that have lost their target, self destructing? When we see an explosion, does that represent a hit ? Are the incoming missiles visible as lights? Or are they in free-fall by the time they are intercepted ?

Any experts here?
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Old 13th May 2021, 10:18
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Lots of good videos available with a Goggle explaining the very clever way it works.

It looks like Hamas is trying to overwhelm it, and appeal to Iran as to how they are not afraid to use their missiles and how they need more, especially after that latest shipment of weapons was intercepted off Aden.
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One of the really trick aspects of Iron Dome is that it predicts if the incoming missile is going to hit anything of consequence, and if not it simply lets it go instead of wasting an interceptor missile.

Read an article a few years ago - Israel was trying to sell Iron Dome to other countries but couldn't generate any real interest. When asked why, they said no one else can foresee a situation where someone is firing short range missiles and you can't simply go in and take out the troublemakers...
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Perhaps they could sell it to Gaza? It seems they are in need of protection too.
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It would be interesting to see the intercept stats this time around. Figures of 85-95% are being bandied around, but given the number of rockets which are being fired I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhat lower than this.

I did wonder how much an Iron Dome missile costs versus an unguided rocket knocked up in a garage using scrap metal. At this rate Hamas will bankrupt Israel...
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Perhaps they could sell it to Gaza? It seems they are in need of protection too.
Careful with that statement, or you could be accused of Antisemitism...
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Perhaps they could sell it to Gaza? It seems they are in need of protection too.
why wont israelis let themselves be killed?

"The judgement and treatment of Israel by a double standard is one of the most disturbing facets of global politics in the 21st century. That double standard has been glaringly evident over the past few days. Israel is now the only country on Earth that is expected to allow itself to be attacked. To sit back and do nothing as its citizens are pelted with rocks or rockets. How else do we explain so many people’s unwillingness to place the current events in any kind of context, including the context of an avowedly anti-Semitic Islamist movement – Hamas – firing hundreds of missiles into civilian areas in Israel? In this context, to rage solely against Israel, to curse its people and burn its flag because it has sent missiles to destroy Hamas’s firing positions in Gaza, is essentially to say: ‘Why won’t Israelis let themselves be killed?’
No other nation would be expected not to respond either to internal disarray – Hamas supporters have rioted in parts of Jerusalem and around Al-Aqsa Mosque – or to foreign attack. Imagine if the Isle of Wight was home to a movement whose founding constitution expressed loathing for all ethnic Britons and which regularly fired hundreds of missiles into Sussex, Kent, Hampshire. Wouldn’t the British military respond? Of course it would. But the woke demonisation of Israel is now so acute that Israel is expected to
take the military assaults of the radical Islamists to its south. To Western activists who find the very existence of Israel abhorrent, any effort Israel makes to protect its borders or its citizens is an affront to global peace and decency. They cannot understand why Israel doesn’t hate itself as much as they hate it, and therefore will not allow itself to be punished by its righteous enemies. How dare you live?"
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I don't know the details of the case regarding the proposed evictions in Jerusalem, but it certainly doesn't play well in some quarters.

Also the rise of right wing extremism in the country is cause for concern. This is not a new thing - Israeli football has been riven with such ideology for years now. Check out the film "Forever Pure" for a taste of what goes on in some clubs.

IMO both sides have their fare share of blame to bear. Neither are the innocent party.
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When I send up fireworks at New Years I have to arrange a small mortgage to afford them. Who bank-rolls the rockets raining on Israel?
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Old 14th May 2021, 12:28
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Who bank-rolls the rockets raining on Israel
Iran I believe.
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Old 14th May 2021, 15:53
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I don't know the details of the case regarding the proposed evictions in Jerusalem, but it certainly doesn't play well in some quarters.

Also the rise of right wing extremism in the country is cause for concern. This is not a new thing - Israeli football has been riven with such ideology for years now. Check out the film "Forever Pure" for a taste of what goes on in some clubs.

IMO both sides have their fare share of blame to bear. Neither are the innocent party.

Short story of the evictions. The land belonged to a Jewish organisation from the early 1900's. When Jordan captured and annexed the whole West bank declaring it part of Jordan they threw out all of the Jew's. Jordan then gave the land to some Palestinian families After Israel took control after the 1967 war the Jewish owner's of the land signed a rent agreement with the families living their. At some time in the past they stopped paying rent and the owner's sold out to a right wing settler movement. They have been trying to evict them for almost 15 years through the courts.

Yes both sides are to blame especially the extremists unfortunately at the moment this war serves the needs of them well. Fatah recently cancelled the first elections since 2005. Hamas are flexing their mussels and showing that they are the true leadership of the Palestinian people and Fatah are sidelined. Israel has had 4 elections in 2 years and Bibi has been unable to put together a stable majority so keeps on collapsing the government and calling new elections. Up in till the war started a coalition of center right, centrist and left parties was looking like it would be able to form a coalition with the support of a Arab Islamist party. That will not now happen.
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I did wonder how much an Iron Dome missile costs versus an unguided rocket knocked up in a garage using scrap metal. At this rate Hamas will bankrupt Israel...
$40,000 according to Wikipedia.
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If the West Bank and Gaza Strip are blockaded by Israel, how do Hamas obtain their missiles in such numbers?
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Old 15th May 2021, 16:18
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If the West Bank and Gaza Strip are blockaded by Israel, how do Hamas obtain their missiles in such numbers?
I've also wondered this! Such a huge amount of rockets squeezed into a relatively small (and so densely populated) area
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Israel has had 4 elections in 2 years and Bibi has been unable to put together a stable majority so keeps on collapsing the government and calling new elections. Up in till the war started a coalition of center right, centrist and left parties was looking like it would be able to form a coalition with the support of a Arab Islamist party. That will not now happen.
The way this whole debacle has escalated plays right into Netanyahu's hands. I'm not suggesting he had anything to do with orchestrating the handbags that set this whole chain reaction off, but my goodness it's convenient for him.
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If the West Bank and Gaza Strip are blockaded by Israel, how do Hamas obtain their missiles in such numbers?
A lot are self built which is why 300+ have gone up and straight back down on to Gaza
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A lot are self built which is why 300+ have gone up and straight back down on to Gaza
lol, good one and doesnt surptise me in the least.

The KSA, could have solved this crisis with a stroke of a pen, when relative peace prevailed. They have the land, the infrastructure and money to rehouse the lot of the Palestinians. They won't. You know why? The Saudis don't give a damn about the Palestinians

The Sudanese, about 40 years ago took on some Palestinians and rehoused them in several camps, west of port Sudan, after yet another clobbering fron the IDF Guess what? They caused so much trouble, even the Sudanese booted them out.

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Old 16th May 2021, 05:09
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If the West Bank and Gaza Strip are blockaded by Israel, how do Hamas obtain their missiles in such numbers?
Everything is smuggled in by tunnels running to/from Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_S...ggling_tunnels
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Old 16th May 2021, 07:10
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If Hamas is hoping to use up Israel’s stock of Iron Dome defensive missiles, Israel is probably playing the same game and hoping Hamas will use up their total stock too. Who can outlast the other? Gives a different meaning to ‘war of attrition’.

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Plenty of outside support for both sides, so it's not going to stop until one side has beaten the other. Looking at the territorial gains it seems pretty clear which side is winning.
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