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Old 25th Apr 2021, 12:37
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I must have been visited by aliens because as I was contemplating this thread the following idea popped into my mind.

To travel to any part of the universe you must first convert yourself into the fabric of the universe then convert your back at your destination, a kind of simple matter/anti-matter transaction.
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Old 25th Apr 2021, 15:41
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Physics

I wonder if we can take in count the possibility there are ways, which we still don't know, to travel through and to far away star systems and galaxies. After all, warp drive and whormholes have been theorised as possible.



Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Given that there are millions and millions of stars in the universe, and we are now finding Earth like planets around some of them, it would be really really odd if our Earth was the ONLY planet in the universe with intelligent life. The conditions for intelligent life to develop are almost certainly not unique to our Earth, but must arise on many other similar planets.

So there are likely to be lots of planets throughout the universe supporting intelligent life and world populations similar to our own. However, the distances between us all are so vast that we will never be able to communicate with each other.

We are just about still receiving transmissions from the Voyager probe, which is at the edge of our Solar system. But the next nearest star to us is 4 light years away! That's traveling at 300,000,000 meters per second for four years. Any radio signal we transmit from Earth will be lost in the noise well before that distance. SETI is unlikely to find anything genuine from other intelligent nations for the same reason - you need a transmitter with the power output of a star to be detected over that sort of distance.

For similar reasons, it is hard to believe that other intelligent nations would travel so far - at least 4 light years in each direction just to visit us. It has taken the Voyager probe 43 years just to reach the outskirts of our own Solar System, so it would take aliens multiple lifetimes just to get to Earth. What would be the point?

I think that anything we might see around Earth will be our own military forces, or secret test aircraft, or meteorites, or other atmospheric lighting effects. The reason some are questioned about UFOs by the authorities is probably to check if anything secret was observed too clearly.
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Old 25th Apr 2021, 20:48
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood View Post
False dichotomy. Maybe there’s a lot of people who don’t believe in either gods or alien visitation.
Nope, it wasn't a false dichotomy. Of course there are lots of people who don't believe in god(s) or alien visitation. The poster's point was that we display a much higher degree of respect, and far less mockery, toward unprovable stated beliefs, superstitions and anecdotes, when they are promulgated as part of "religion".
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Old 25th Apr 2021, 23:29
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There are no gods ( are you frightened to sleep in the dark), there are no aliens. You are here on your own and life is finite. It's not hard, it's called existence. So exist.
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Old 25th Apr 2021, 23:33
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Originally Posted by grizzled View Post
Nope, it wasn't a false dichotomy. Of course there are lots of people who don't believe in god(s) or alien visitation. The poster's point was that we display a much higher degree of respect, and far less mockery, toward unprovable stated beliefs, superstitions and anecdotes, when they are promulgated as part of "religion".
Speak for yourself. As far as I'm concerned the god botherers and UFOlogists are as mad as each other.
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Old 25th Apr 2021, 23:47
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Originally Posted by Cunliffe View Post
If at some stage in the future it is "proved" that there are objects in the sky which cannot be explained by any current technology I have an explanation which I don't think has been suggested on this thread.
I do not believe that the lack of photographic evidence is important. I suggest that you try taking a photo with your mobile phone of an aircraft flying at 40,000 ft or of an aircraft that passes overhead at 500 ft. The results would probably be blurry images akin to the alleged ufo pictures. Yes you can get good photos in those two cases but only with better equipment and prior knowledge of the event. Rather than relying on photographic evidence, much of it fake, I am swayed by the reports of objects tracked on radar performing impossible feats while also being observed by pilots. I believe there have been several reports of such events.
What puzzles me is the wide variety of ufo types which are reported. If they are truly alien why would there be so many varieties? Here comes my wacky theory which will be shot down by all and sundry but I shall ignore your slingshots.
UFOs ARE VISITORS FROM THE FUTURE.
In some far distant millennium the secret of time travel has been discovered. The Bransons and Musks of the time are building a variety of tourist ships to take the very rich on a journey into the past
Get your tickets here.

If you care to take a goggle around the internet you will be able to see plenty of photos taken with mobile phones of fast moving jets at high and low level,. hell, with a suitable adapter on a half decent telescope you can get a pretty good image of the ISS with a mobile phone.

As for time traveling flying saucers...


It was well ahead of its time, if you pardon the pun, ecology was at it's core, the very things that Ms Thunberg has been banging on about were first brought to my attention in this TV play over forty years ago.
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 01:40
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Speak for yourself. As far as I'm concerned the god botherers and UFOlogists are as mad as each other.
I take your point (re the comparative madness of Ufologists and the more established and well-resourced cultists that are known as "organised religions"). What I was trying to say is that "we", as a society, still generally accept (or at least we donít vociferously rebel against) the notion that religious institutions are entitled to MASSIVE tax breaks, which facilitate their homophobic, misogynist agendas. Worse still, the tenets and policies of the richest of those global cults virtually enslave females to poverty in the poorest parts of the world. Do I have a bias against organised religion? You bet I do.
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 11:46
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Misogynistic. Well if it was relevant to me, which it isn't, I would be keen for some clarity over this:
“The Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get ‘hur,’ and the word was taken by early commentators to mean ‘virgins,’ hence those 72 consorts. But in Aramaic, hur meant ‘white’ and was commonly used to mean ‘white grapes’,”

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Old 26th Apr 2021, 12:32
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Analysis of so called UFO imagery still reveals such as Met. phenomena, perceptual illusions ( aircrew not exempt), Imaging system artefacts and of course fakery. All always useful for future reference!
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 17:31
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If we don't understand the fact UFOS exist, doesn't mean they don't exist. Mankind is not all that smart. We can't even cure (although treatable) a virus, or an allergy for example. Who, among the brain storms here, can get their heads around infinity??
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 17:53
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In a previous role (police heli support) I was visited by two excited young chaps from a local UFO investigation group who asked me to comment on a video someone had sent them; it was on a laptop computer. It showed a very brightly lit, bluish white object in the night sky which flashed different colours at the edges and then sent out a beam of light. The object moved randomly and very rapidly in all directions, accelerating unlike any earthly aircraft could.

At first it looked very strange. I asked when and where it was. I was told it was over a local town and they were able to tell me the time (about 21:00). I then asked who took it and what type of camera they used. Apparently it was a local chap using a phone camera. He was outside the town and unable to hear any noise from the object.

Something rang a bell. I checked our Tech Log sheets. We were on a job over that town with our twin Squirrel, I was flying that night. We used the night sun. I had to tell the two Ufologists that it was us. They said it couldn't be a helicopter because of the very rapid accelerations. As a bit of an amateur photographer myself, it suddenly became obvious that the apparent movements were rapid camera shake caused by the phone camera being zoomed right in from afar. Boy were they disappointed; it was very obvious they were hoping for something far more exciting!
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 18:48
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During an airport standby duty once, I visited the ATC control tower at Luton. At one point I was looking at their ground radar display and commented on a return suggesting an object on the runway adjacent to one of the exits. That's a phantom return I was told - looking out of the window there was clearly nothing there but the radar was "seeing" and displaying something. This will have been a reflection of the radar pulses from somewhere, giving rise to an apparent return from an object. Could have been caused by an atmospheric phenomenon, a reflection from something elsewhere on the airfield, or something on the radar antenna tower.

Re lights in the skies, there will almost certainly be a rational explanation, such as ShyTorque's. They could be similar to the lens flares from bright vehicle lights you see on films - the flare in the camera lens generates phantom lights in a different place to the source and moving differently.

A reported series of light spots arranged in a circular pattern seen moving and hovering over a city, were found to be lens flares from large street lights on the freeway nearby. As the camera lens is moved, the flares move at twice the speed of the camera movement, probably giving rise to reports of mysterious lights moving at tremendous speeds.
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 20:00
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
In a previous role (police heli support) I was visited by two excited young chaps from a local UFO investigation group who asked me to comment on a video someone had sent them; it was on a laptop computer. It showed a very brightly lit, bluish white object in the night sky which flashed different colours at the edges and then sent out a beam of light. The object moved randomly and very rapidly in all directions, accelerating unlike any earthly aircraft could.

At first it looked very strange. I asked when and where it was. I was told it was over a local town and they were able to tell me the time (about 21:00). I then asked who took it and what type of camera they used. Apparently it was a local chap using a phone camera. He was outside the town and unable to hear any noise from the object.

Something rang a bell. I checked our Tech Log sheets. We were on a job over that town with our twin Squirrel, I was flying that night. We used the night sun. I had to tell the two Ufologists that it was us. They said it couldn't be a helicopter because of the very rapid accelerations. As a bit of an amateur photographer myself, it suddenly became obvious that the apparent movements were rapid camera shake caused by the phone camera being zoomed right in from afar. Boy were they disappointed; it was very obvious they were hoping for something far more exciting!
That sounds rather like a film clip included in a TV "UFO films revealed" programme I saw on ITV or some such channel 15 or 20 years ago. Quite obvious it was helicopter orbiting... the other bits of film weren't much harder to repudiate.

I saw a strange light in the night sky a decade or two back. Very small, flickering and moving erratically. After a short while it disappeared. Concluded it was a Chinese lantern, much higher than normal and caught in some contrary wind gusts.
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 21:56
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To travel to any part of the universe you must first convert yourself into the fabric of the universe then convert your back at your destination, a kind of simple matter/anti-matter transaction.
Thanks, Cattletruck. That's the kind of answer I needed for my Maria Celeste to go looking for the source of new chatter on 5th. Gosh, it's heady stuff being able to create a spot of new reality when you need it.
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 23:18
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Sorry Uplinker but you have quoted me out of context. I made it clear that I was referring to events witnessed simultaneously by radar and eyeball. None of the instances you refer to fall into this category.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 00:01
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nor even a reasonable likelihood that they visit us
Not necessarily. Maybe we're like a zoo, or a great experiment. Perhaps some ancient civilization trying to discover its roots and they use us to help figure it out. Maybe we're a civilization on the brink of contact and it's just normal to monitor those civilizations. A bit like we monitor tribes in the Amazon who have never made contact with the modern world

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Old 27th Apr 2021, 06:32
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The vast majority of UFO's are just that unidentified, or usually misidentified by people who have no idea of what they're looking at. How many times does the lay-person misidentify an overflying aircraft(s) and due to the sun glinting off them, or atmospheric conditions think that they're seeng an off-planet craft ? Lower down, there are magnetic/energetic anomalies that can travel for a time such as ball lightning. I'd like to think that I can and have been a pretty sharp observer of aerial things over the years, so as to rule out extraterrestrial origin, but as with others there are those handful of observations that just cause you to shrug your shoulders due to the way they move, manoeuvre and look. Yes, I'm sure there are some interesting technologies out there being tested in secret, but for some others who knows. I have an open mind on the subject, we might be surprised one of these days.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 07:22
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Before Mr Wells wrote War of the Worlds, had there been any reported sightings of flying saucers?

Or was their first appearance after the release of some science fiction movie?
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 07:54
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Before Mr Wells wrote War of the Worlds, had there been any reported sightings of flying saucers?

Or was their first appearance after the release of some science fiction movie?
Loads, going back centuries......

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Old 27th Apr 2021, 07:57
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Goggle is your friend...

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