Suez canal blocked
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See meadowrun’s post #315.
There isn’t a lot of room between ships.
I read that normally 106 ships pass through the Suez every day, but that they ran 120 ships through the day after it opened.
Yes, air traffic control can always cram in more landings and takeoffs per hour, assuming nothing goes wrong, but where do you park all the planes once they’re on the ground? There are only so many gates at an airport to let the passengers/cargo get on and off.
As mentioned, the next bottleneck will be the ports, such as Rotterdam, where the sudden influx of ships will pile up.
Yes, they had a week off but now they’ll be working overtime playing catch up. In addition, once you offload a ship, will there be enough land based transport on hand to get it where it needs to go?
There isn’t a lot of room between ships.
I read that normally 106 ships pass through the Suez every day, but that they ran 120 ships through the day after it opened.
Yes, air traffic control can always cram in more landings and takeoffs per hour, assuming nothing goes wrong, but where do you park all the planes once they’re on the ground? There are only so many gates at an airport to let the passengers/cargo get on and off.
As mentioned, the next bottleneck will be the ports, such as Rotterdam, where the sudden influx of ships will pile up.
Yes, they had a week off but now they’ll be working overtime playing catch up. In addition, once you offload a ship, will there be enough land based transport on hand to get it where it needs to go?
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@meadowrun's #343, now there is some scary footage of ploughing ahead for what looks like miles through low cloud or fog with near-zero visibility. What on earth are they following, what speed are they doing, and can they really avoid colliding with other vessels in that stuff?
Now the Ever Given's sandstorm excuse starts to make a little more sense. I am surprised they were not hit by the following ship!
Now the Ever Given's sandstorm excuse starts to make a little more sense. I am surprised they were not hit by the following ship!
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Today's Grauniad reports an interesting proposal to mitigate the effect of future blockages https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-israel-border
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Another alternative the UN is looking at involves recreating an ancient passage to the Nile from the Red Sea.
“It’s an exciting idea,” said Mo Sez, a regional expert in water division management, whose staff are managing a feasibility study of the area. Although maritime engineers have warned that the river would not have capacity for 20,000-container “megaships” such as the Ever Given,
transferring goods to flotillas of smaller boats could provide a modern solution.
Felucca operators could carry as much as 28% of the Suez cargo volumes, or less. Camel trains would be on standby should water levels in the Nile drop.
Questioned whether such a scheme remained feasible, a spokesperson said: “See those pyramids? We built those, didn’t we?”
“It’s an exciting idea,” said Mo Sez, a regional expert in water division management, whose staff are managing a feasibility study of the area. Although maritime engineers have warned that the river would not have capacity for 20,000-container “megaships” such as the Ever Given,
transferring goods to flotillas of smaller boats could provide a modern solution.
Felucca operators could carry as much as 28% of the Suez cargo volumes, or less. Camel trains would be on standby should water levels in the Nile drop.
Questioned whether such a scheme remained feasible, a spokesperson said: “See those pyramids? We built those, didn’t we?”
Any thought given to actual final destinations? Camel trains, right - Gotta chuckle.
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Originally Posted by Innominate
Today's Grauniad reports an interesting proposal to mitigate the effect of future blockages https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-israel-border
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They would have to shift the tanks.
They would have to shift the tanks.
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Uncle Fred
Canal is open 24 hours 365 days.
No movements if visibility is less than 3 cables.
Strong winds also, but that would be down to Pilot's advice, Master's decision.
Mr Mac
For 3rd gen box boats overall passage time was much the same - 9 week round trips, just went slower
however change to diesels meant increased noise, vibration and dirt (i.e. lots of soot)
Canal is open 24 hours 365 days.
No movements if visibility is less than 3 cables.
Strong winds also, but that would be down to Pilot's advice, Master's decision.
Mr Mac
For 3rd gen box boats overall passage time was much the same - 9 week round trips, just went slower
however change to diesels meant increased noise, vibration and dirt (i.e. lots of soot)
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I agree with the soot, but we’re not the Liverpool / Cardigan Bay etc not 26 knot top speed as built. I only know this through my cousin who served on them and said they used to be like the old tea clippers in a modern world. Transit times of all canals are always relatively slow as many may know.
Cheers
Mr Mac
I agree with the soot, but we’re not the Liverpool / Cardigan Bay etc not 26 knot top speed as built. I only know this through my cousin who served on them and said they used to be like the old tea clippers in a modern world. Transit times of all canals are always relatively slow as many may know.
Cheers
Mr Mac
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Originally Posted by Low Level Pilot
Uncle Fred
Canal is open 24 hours 365 days.
No movements if visibility is less than 3 cables.
Strong winds also, but that would be down to Pilot's advice, Master's decision.
Mr Mac
For 3rd gen box boats overall passage time was much the same - 9 week round trips, just went slower
however change to diesels meant increased noise, vibration and dirt (i.e. lots of soot)
Canal is open 24 hours 365 days.
No movements if visibility is less than 3 cables.
Strong winds also, but that would be down to Pilot's advice, Master's decision.
Mr Mac
For 3rd gen box boats overall passage time was much the same - 9 week round trips, just went slower
however change to diesels meant increased noise, vibration and dirt (i.e. lots of soot)
Per
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Ancient Mariner.
Yes, 2 box boats and 2 general cargo ships.
However tubes were blown at about 2 o'clock after informing the bridge. If necessary and possible course was altered so the soot went off to the side, and not over the afterdeck.
That way the decks stayed fairly clean. When they were re-engined in the 70's they were not modern diesels like today's and didn't burn fuel subject to today's regs. Also couldn't
alter course in order to keep soot off the after deck as they were chucking the stuff out 24 hours a day.
Mr Mac
Photo for your cousin. Similar design, same shipyard, different line.
Doing 27 knots in English Channel, west bound for Far East via Cape of Good Hope, June 1973 when Suez was still closed.
Would have been 30 knots, but Skyfotos were half hour late on the scene, (or perhaps we were half hour early?)
Ship almost new, voyage 3 or 4, can't remember which.
Yes, 2 box boats and 2 general cargo ships.
However tubes were blown at about 2 o'clock after informing the bridge. If necessary and possible course was altered so the soot went off to the side, and not over the afterdeck.
That way the decks stayed fairly clean. When they were re-engined in the 70's they were not modern diesels like today's and didn't burn fuel subject to today's regs. Also couldn't
alter course in order to keep soot off the after deck as they were chucking the stuff out 24 hours a day.
Mr Mac
Photo for your cousin. Similar design, same shipyard, different line.
Doing 27 knots in English Channel, west bound for Far East via Cape of Good Hope, June 1973 when Suez was still closed.
Would have been 30 knots, but Skyfotos were half hour late on the scene, (or perhaps we were half hour early?)
Ship almost new, voyage 3 or 4, can't remember which.
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Thank you for the photo I will pass on. He was on OCL Liverpool Bay / Cardigan Bay and now with HL. They were fast ships, and I think far more pleasing to the eye than the more modern box boats. Incidentally a girl I was at school with was involved with your MD son in late 70;s we nicknamed him Mr Ben , nice guy unfortunately the. relationship did not last (she found god ?)
Thank you
Mr Mac
Thank you for the photo I will pass on. He was on OCL Liverpool Bay / Cardigan Bay and now with HL. They were fast ships, and I think far more pleasing to the eye than the more modern box boats. Incidentally a girl I was at school with was involved with your MD son in late 70;s we nicknamed him Mr Ben , nice guy unfortunately the. relationship did not last (she found god ?)
Thank you
Mr Mac
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The Guardian April fools trick made it onto YouTube as well, the part about using atomic bombs to dig out the canal may have been a give away. This sort of nonsense counts as fake news, which spreads widely and rapidly due to the internet. Fooling a few people like this back in the 1990s may have been funny but this nonsense needs to stop.
Controversial, moi?
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April Fool jokes have become so widespread to have just become an irritation.
So many things have now become so widespread as to become meaningless. A minute's silence was almost exclusively held on Rembrance Day, now we have a minute's silence for almost any event someone deems worthy and is more about virtue signalling than anything else. Then there are standing ovations in the theatre or concert hall, they used to be for an exceptional performance now they happen at the end of nearly every performance.
Bah, humbug!
So many things have now become so widespread as to become meaningless. A minute's silence was almost exclusively held on Rembrance Day, now we have a minute's silence for almost any event someone deems worthy and is more about virtue signalling than anything else. Then there are standing ovations in the theatre or concert hall, they used to be for an exceptional performance now they happen at the end of nearly every performance.
Bah, humbug!
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse
April Fool jokes have become so widespread to have just become an irritation.
that fits right into the rest of my groundhog day of confusion
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The Guardian April fools trick made it onto YouTube as well, the part about using atomic bombs to dig out the canal may have been a give away.
