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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:10
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Ah, but. When KnC's Rebecca Corbyn-Long-Bailey is in charge, it won't be allowed. Unless the new Defence Secretary, Diane Abbott, approves it.

That will take off the Lobster and a few other Scottish delicacies from the Mess menus in the South.

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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:13
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
First off, I made no mention of any claims of any sort - there were none at all, I paid the mess bill myself. The nav ex to CU was legit, and something that had been done before, and was done afterwards, too, it was nothing out of the ordinary. FWIW, we did nav exs to Farnborough fairly regularly too, as well as places like Wharton, to save driving there for meetings and also saving overnight subsistence, as flying down and back in a day was normally possible. I really don't see any difference in terms of cost to the taxpayer when an aeroplane that has to go and bore holes in the sky anyway does something useful at the same time.
All the above is perfectly plausible.......had you not referred to the tiles and how you chose to acquire them rather than, as I suggested, acquire them directly from the supplier.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:15
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Can tiles go round in circles?
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Can tiles go round in circles?

Probably!

I would guess that K'n'C may not be familiar with the delights of Trago Mills in the 1980s and 1990s, either. For those that don't know the history of this store, it was started by a somewhat maverick entrepreneur that purchased container loads of surplus stock from goodness knows where, then piled it high and sold it cheaply in his stores. The places were little more than warehouses, and had some real bargains. I still have an East German made outboard motor I bought there for next to nothing, works a treat over 30 years later. The one problem with the place was that once they had sold out of a particular item there was little chance of them ever having it in stock again. The floor tiles in question were part of a job lot of ceramic and terracotta stuff that came from somewhere in Portugal. They were very nicely made, but like everything sold by Trago Mills the provenance was always a bit uncertain. By that, I don't mean they might have been knocked-off, just that the chances are they had come from a closing down sale, goods recovered by a receiver, or some such.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:40
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Trago Mills were behind development of the SAH-1 training aircraft, later the FLS Sprint. The shops are still going strong...
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 12:10
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Trago Mills were behind development of the SAH-1 training aircraft, later the FLS Sprint. The shops are still going strong...

When we lived down there it was something of a local sport reading about the next run-in the owner of the place had with the local council, as his adverts were almost always stories of his latest planning permission endeavour. He'd build new buildings and open them up as stores without any planning consent, then just string out the planning enforcement process whilst trading from them, and at the same time be building replacement unlawful buildings for the time when he'd be forced to close down the ones going through the planning enforcement process. It got to the point where his personal animosity to the head of the local council got so great that he had a life-sized statue of the council head erected at the entrance to the Liskeard store, welcoming shoppers with outstretched arms. The bloke really was one of a kind,the sort of slightly eccentric entrepreneur that only seems to spring up in this country. He, and his stores, were very popular, though, he seemed to be viewed by pretty much everyone, except the council, as a sort of Robin Hood character.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 12:24
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Many many moons ago I can remember going on a trip to RAFG in a Puma to Gut and the crewman humping a heavy bag out to the aircraft, enquiring what it was he told me the burnt out motor from his washing machine, apparently he had priced a new one in the U.K. and at the time even accounting for airfares he could have flown out to the city, exchanged the motor at the factory which was in Gutersloh town, got his duty frees and it would’ve still been cheaper than buying one in the UK, luckily for him he was due to fly out on a Puma, so it cost him even less.
I was tasked to fly a Puma back to UK from RAFG for an exercise, along with groundcrew and a load of kit, so the aircraft was in 12 seat fit. I was then asked to take something along for an Army officer who was posted back there. We were led to expect a package of some sort. However, on the morning of departure a four tonne truck arrived on dispersal, laden to the roof with household goods and furniture! It looked like most of the contents of a married quarter. Needless to say none of it was loaded and the driver was sent back to where he had come from.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 12:36
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I still have an East German made outboard motor I bought there for next to nothing, works a treat over 30 years later.
Surely by now you should have replaced it with a battery powered electric one?
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 13:16
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Don't call him Shirley.

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Old 12th Mar 2021, 13:21
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I’m all for right-to-repair as long as it doesn’t force compromises to the utility of a new device. Things that are mainly mechanical are much easier to fix than those that are mostly electronic. To make all the components in a phone accessible and replaceable would make it bigger and heavier, plus more likely to break from water ingress, connections failing, etc. It would likely be more expensive to purchase initially, too.

It is also important to understand why manufacturers like Apple code the individual parts, as it is to make it much more difficult for unscrupulous repairers to swap out genuine items for cheap fakes while your equipment is with them, and more importantly, to try and stop malicious components being put back, e.g. a camera, screen, battery or anything else that sends your data to a server in Russia without you realising. Given the amount of sensitive financial and personal information people have on their phones these days, it makes a lot of sense to secure it as much as possible. Personally, I’d rather get an approved repair and if that wan’t possible, hand the device back for recycling and get a new one.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 13:53
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Labour rates for garage "mechanics" are unethical - it is a big scam. Some dealers charge per hour what we earned per day as a pilot of an A330, for example.
Do you believe that the rates you pay go all in the mechanics pocket? Or some of it is to pay infrastructure, rent, equipment and so on? Just like the money the pax pay don't all go to the pilots?
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 14:00
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
When we lived down there it was something of a local sport reading about the next run-in the owner of the place had with the local council, as his adverts were almost always stories of his latest planning permission endeavour. He'd build new buildings and open them up as stores without any planning consent, then just string out the planning enforcement process whilst trading from them, and at the same time be building replacement unlawful buildings for the time when he'd be forced to close down the ones going through the planning enforcement process. It got to the point where his personal animosity to the head of the local council got so great that he had a life-sized statue of the council head erected at the entrance to the Liskeard store, welcoming shoppers with outstretched arms. The bloke really was one of a kind,the sort of slightly eccentric entrepreneur that only seems to spring up in this country. He, and his stores, were very popular, though, he seemed to be viewed by pretty much everyone, except the council, as a sort of Robin Hood character.
Agreed. Mike Robertson was well-liked by everyone I knew when I lived down that way. His subversive advertisements/opinions in the local newspapers were something to look forward to (and the bane of officialdom). Rural South-westerners delight in seeing starchy feathers ruffled but he did sail very close to the legal wind with some views (that no doubt many agreed with in private...).

The Trago Mills SAH-1 was a nice aircraft and easy to work on, from what I remember.

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Old 12th Mar 2021, 15:14
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@ FullWings, very good points

Also it's a bit like buying an expensive car, taking it to the local backstreet garage and having them fit cheap non OEM parts.

Or getting a cheap builder in.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 22:25
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It’s generally cheaper to pay a low skilled worker in a third world country to manufacture an item then it is to pay a higher skilled worker in a first world country to repair it. Not having to make something serviceable is cheaper as glue can be used in place of screws and bolts.

Not having to maintain a network of service centres with technicians and spare parts saves money as well.

When I was younger, an electric kettle was a solid metal appliance and replacing the heating element was normal if it failed. This could be done by a home handyman. Nowadays, a kettle is most likely plastic with the element built into the base and either impossible or uneconomic to repair if it fails.

Having the internet helps as a bit of Googleing sometimes leads to a solution and there are numerous YouTube videos of repair jobs.

A reasonable guide is that if a repair is going to be more than 1/3 of the cost of a replacement, then it’s not worth doing, particularly if the item is old.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Don't get me started.....oh you did.

Labour rates for garage "mechanics" are unethical - it is a big scam. Some dealers charge per hour what we earned per day as a pilot of an A330, for example. Not saying we were anything special, but we did a hell of a lot more training and passing of SIMs and exams to earn our place. Garage mechanics plug in the scan tool and if it says xyz is not responding, or not working, they fire the parts cannon at it and replace the part at huge cost - no diagnosis, no checking power supply and grounds, no checking of connectors, (which in 75% of cases will be the problem). That will be £xxxx sir, oh, and £xxxxxxx for the labour of course.

I once asked for an indicator bulb to be replaced while other work was being done to my car. They added a ridiculous labour charge for popping a new bulb in, which the manager sheepishly removed when I pointed out how much I had already paid for the other work.
We are fortunate in having an excellent independent local service station, with a real mechanic, who actually knows how to dismantle, repair and fit things. Apart, of course, from those sealed electronic things that can't be dismantled without the use of a sledge hammer. He also has a network of mates who specialise, so when a gearbox solenoid failed in our car, his mate was able to replace it with a 2nd hand one cannibalised from another gearbox. Our mechanic has serviced our cars for years, and keeps an eye out for anything that needs doing, without doing the unnecessary. Hence, we sold one at 320,000 km and saw it around for a few years, and his boss bought the next one from us at 240,000 km, and offered more than I was going to asked.
There is no way I would go to one of the big workshops or dealers for car service or repairs.

P.S. Our service station still does driveway service, and his fuel prices are often lower than the fuel company outlets.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 12:32
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Originally Posted by arketip View Post
Do you believe that the rates you pay go all in the mechanics pocket?.......
No, and I never said I did. Obviously it doesn't, but that is what it is billed as, not as "Big blingy showroom supplement" or "Annoying and unnecessary receptionist supplement" !

@ Hydromet, It is always good when one finds a good, honest, hardworking, skilful person. Hang on to that guy !
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 17:41
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Sounds like a good idea if you can get the parts. For electronics, especially consumer goods, that can be hard, as many integrated circuits are no longer made and in some cases, the factories don't even exist. Consumer integrated circuits, especially the more complex ones, could have a life as short as 5 years between design and obsolescence. Even if you can the integrated circuits, there's good chance of them being fake. I knew of a South African company who got 'taken' for $100,000 with fake ICs..... Some lasted long time for military purposes. Plessey Research (Caswell Ltd) had a contract from MoD (Admiralty) back in 1963 for £15,000 to design a circuit for logarithmic amplifier ICs for radar and electronic warfare. Copied in France and the US and we believed in Russia, by the time it went obsolete in 1998, the royalties paid to MoD exceeded £4 million! Got used in several marks of the Sparrow AIM-7 air-to air missile and one version of the AIM-9 Sidewinder. For once MoD made a profit! But that was exceptional...

But even if you can get the ICs, the larger more complex ones in a BGA (Ball Grid Array) 256 or 512 connection package on a multi layer circuit board are a problem. There used to be some companies - literally a handful - in the US who would attempt to change a BGA package, charging several thousand $ and not guaranteeing success....I don't know how many there are now or what the success rate is....
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Old 19th Mar 2021, 12:44
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Dishwasher packed in with fault code related to drain function.
Quick look, hose vanishes into rear of machine, no obvious access.
Call to manufacturer, 100pounds callout, if new pump another 100, + workers time.
Argos website, new one under 200 including installation and disposal of old.
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Old 19th Mar 2021, 12:51
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Washing machines usually DIY repairable, dishwashers....... forget it IMHO

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Old 19th Mar 2021, 13:09
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We had a washer drier once and amongst other faults, such as fluff clogging the drain pump and tripping the circuit breakers when it went in to spin the "technical department" said there was nothing wrong.
It was under guarantee so no costs to meBut it was a design fault. No filter on the bottom to remove fluff and the main power cable tied on to the metal frame and had worn through with vibration.
If it was not under guarantee it would have cost £150 in total to fix.
Engineer fixed it and showed me how to clear a new filter he installed, by removing back of machine as he would have to charge us the next time it blockedWhy did he show us ? £80 call out fee for a job that took less than 5 min to do.

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