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Old 10th Mar 2021, 00:43
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From the interview the Royal family had “concerns” about the baby’s skin colour. This sentiment was expressed by Meghan, and Harry seemed deeply concerned by the questioning coming from one of his own family.

So it does seem the question about Archie’s skin colour wasn’t an innocent query about how the new baby would look, rather an expressed concern about how the baby’s potential darker skin colour would harm the image of the Monarchy.

I can't work with the word "concerns" unless a consequence is also associated with it in the same discussion. It sure looks to me that somebody after the words were spoken expanded their own interpretation to stir the discussion.

typical fake news ploy to make something up out of your own beliefs
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 03:18
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I suspect that a very simple question by someone in a family discussion, "I wonder if the baby will look like H or M?", was misinterpreted and offence taken, cue protective hackles rising, and the horse is out of the stable.

Knowing as I do, how family fights escalate and distancing of members can result from a comment where the originator had never meant to cause offence, gets out of hand. Many families experience this type of disfunction. The difference here is that private family discussions were allowed to ferment into the media stockpot.

As we all know personally, what gets discussed in the family, including negative insults, accusations, disagreements and reasons, are never broadcast. Everybody can speak about how brave little Harry is by signing on, but the other darker stuff should not be for public consumption....and before anyone says it, Royal members of staff are considered almost as family.

A really big, family mistake has been made here, I hope HM has enough energy left to stop the rest of her family's lives from being destroyed.

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Old 10th Mar 2021, 05:39
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I must be colour blind, Meghan hardly looks like an individual who you would immediately identify as a person of "colour". A problem inherent from the mixing of races, we have folk identifying as Aboriginal when to look at them they are whiter than white.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic;11005302[u
]Recollections may differ is a polite way of saying you're lying.
Which has now cemented its place in the UK lexicon of useful terms along with " economical with the truth " and "he would say that wouldn't he "...to offer but two other now immortalised examples.

We look forward to Piers appearance on HIGNFY.....
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:11
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
From the interview the Royal family had “concerns” about the baby’s skin colour. This sentiment was expressed by Meghan, and Harry seemed deeply concerned by the questioning coming from one of his own family.

So it does seem the question about Archie’s skin colour wasn’t an innocent query about how the new baby would look, rather an expressed concern about how the baby’s potential darker skin colour would harm the image of the Monarchy.
Only if you take her account as gospel and/or if she hasn't mistakenly or otherwise interpreted an innocent remark as deliberately racist.

Is this racist? "I wonder if he'll have your lovely skin tones or if he'll be unlucky and inherit his dad's awful colouring."
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:15
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
I must be colour blind, Meghan hardly looks like an individual who you would immediately identify as a person of "colour".
If the next baby is black as coal, what will you say? Have you studied dominant and recessive genes?
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:16
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This is the sort of thing where context is key, knowing both what was actually said, the way it was said and the conversation leading up to it. These are all things we are never likely to ever know, so it's all just pure speculation.

Perhaps worth noting that, by this time, Meghan had already been subjected to a fair bit of vitriol from some media outlets, so the pair of them may well have been more than usually sensitive to any remark that could be construed as negative, or having racist undertones.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:26
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Australia news don’t mess about.

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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:27
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
It is extremely difficult to argue against the sentiments expressed there.

However the isn't "him" it is the way that "they" have employed the same media that they appear to despise so much to sling mud at an organisation (The Royal Family) that given their position cannot fire back, even if they were inclined to do so, which I doubt very much they would be.

Nobody, other than those involved in the alleged conversation regarding the hue of the baby know in what manner the question was asked. I believe we know that Meghan took it to be with racist undertones, I would suggest it is equally likely to have been an off the cuff question, said with little thought about whether the little one would be a "carrot top" or of darker complexion. We have a similar discussion before the arrival of our grand daughter, as Dad is decidedly red head, and the maternal grandmother was also red headed. No offence was meant, none taken and and it turned out she is on the strawberry blonde side of red!

One thing is for certain, Meghan is an actress so would be best placed to spin the line she wanted to get across. I'm not quite in Piers Morgan's camp, but I can see where he's coming from, much as I dislike him intensely .

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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:42
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Kate would serve as Queen Regent until George came of age.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regency_Acts

Ah Thank You ORAC I have passed this onto my wife.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:42
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She has parlayed her striking good looks into a successful acting career and married royalty. Are we now to believe that she has suffered for her skin colour?

Playing the race card in their situation is a political master-stroke, but it I don’t buy it.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 09:38
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood View Post
She has parlayed her striking good looks into a successful acting career and married royalty. Are we now to believe that she has suffered for her skin colour?

Playing the race card in their situation is a political master-stroke, but it I don’t buy it.
I really couldn't give a fig for any member of the royal family, but an accusation of racism is something that needs to be taken seriously so hope the royal family does exactly that. I will point out that the accusation is not about Meghan's skin colour, but what the colour of her child would be. If true, that's disgraceful behaviour by someone, and if it's not true, it's also disgraceful behaviour. It's a spoiled brats' show.

As for Piers Morgan storming off his TV show and leaving, well, let's just move on:

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Old 10th Mar 2021, 09:40
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Nervous_SLF,

Mea Culpa. Looks like I got that wrong - Kate would, upon the demise of William, become the Queen Mother and George’s guardian, see “Guardianship of the sovereign during a regency” in my link. For who would be regent however, see the section “current position” pasted below).

It is possible that Harry could return after many years abroad - but I doubt that would be politically acceptable (I am reminded of the abdication crisis), nor would Andrew for obvious reasons. I am also unsure if Beatrice would be acceptable.

I am pretty sure that, in the circumstances, Parliament would pass another Regency Act, similar to that of 1953, allowing his mother Kate to perform the role, or perhaps Edward.

As of 2020, the first person under the age of 18 in the line of succession to the throne is William's son Prince George of Cambridge, who is third in line to the throne after his grandfather and father. If the prince were to succeed to the throne before his 18th birthday on 22 July 2031, his uncle, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (the Prince of Wales' younger son), would serve as regent (if domiciled in the United Kingdom, as required by the 1937 Act), as George's younger siblings Charlotte and Louis (currently fourth and fifth in line, respectively) would also be minors. In the event that Prince Harry would be unable to serve as regent (a possibility since his 2019 decision to take up residence at least part-time in Canada and the United States), the next in line would be his uncle (Prince George's grand-uncle) Prince Andrew, Duke of York, followed by the Duke of York's elder daughter Princess Beatrice.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 10:14
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ORAC - I hope you don't take this the wrong way because the information you have posted is very interesting and I appreciate the time you have taken to do the research. I understand why people want to know this stuff. However, in the grander scheme, no matter who becomes king or queen or how they are chosen, what difference would it make to people in the UK?
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
ORAC - I hope you don't take this the wrong way because the information you have posted is very interesting and I appreciate the time you have taken to do the research. I understand why people want to know this stuff. However, in the grander scheme, no matter who becomes king or queen or how they are chosen, what difference would it make to people in the UK?
That's the thing I don't get. The monarchy, so far as peoples every day lives are concerned it effects them little, the odd extra public holiday here and there for jubilees, royal weddings, and eventually a few days or mourning for monarchs when they die. For hardened "Royal watchers" there's standing out in the cold at Christmas waiting for the family to trot into Church at Sandringham, waving of patriotic flags when a member of the family comes to their locality to cut a ribbon and the like.

One ponders sometimes how much news doesn't get into bulletins if the royals have done, or not done something as happened this week, and how many "royal correspondents" might have to find new employment. I can't see many "presidential correspondents" being required!
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 10:42
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Nothing really... A few funeral parades as we get rid of the last lot, then carry on as normal, the royal family for all they are, are really just symbolic of a time past by.
In the real world of all things UK under our present Queen, they avoid getting embroiled in anything and "keep" out of politics or anything controversial, they tend to me very neutral...I cannot say the same if Charles ever gets to the Throne.
The problem I see is they are still living in the 50's while the rest of the UK has moved on, whether the up and coming new blood post Charlie boy will change things one cannot tell, but one sincerely hopes so.

Their "job" really is to meet and greet, to go out into public events and shake a few hands, plant the odd tree and unveil the odd plaque.

All the bluster you are reading about is basically a press and media driven feeding frenzy to sell their tat, no one else in the UK really gives a toss what Harry and Megan say or do, nor to an extent the remaining royals in the UK. And that goes for Oprah too, she is in it to make money, supposed friends or not, I'd bet she hasn't declined her fee.

Personally I feel Megan and Harry come across as a couple of little spoiled brats who have thrown their dummy out of the pram because boo hoo, life outside their cosy closeted royal life is harder than they expected and they needed to do something to regenerate interest in their boring little lives, so as to generate more interest in their earning potential, whether a few white lies / untruths were thrown in along the way, who is to know and proving it so would be very difficult, so they knew they could get away with it.


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Old 10th Mar 2021, 10:43
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I didn't watch the interview, only clips seen on the news, and I can't help wondering how many takes it took for oprah to do her "they said what" line. That and the "silent or silenced" line, seemed acted, rather than part of a conversation.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 10:50
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I didn't watch the interview, only clips seen on the news, and I can't help wondering how many takes it took for oprah to do her "they said what" line. That and the "silent or silenced" line, seemed acted, rather than part of a conversation.
You noticed that too!

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Old 10th Mar 2021, 10:56
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Thanks, ATNotts. As I said, I'm not trying to cause controversy or anything like that, it's just trying to understand why so many people think the succession of the throne is important to them. Now, I understand it as just understanding how things work in the UK and I also understand that the royal family actually does some wonderful work. But then again, so do so many others who never get recognised. I also understand what the queen has done and know she worked during WWII as a mechanic - that's wonderful and she should be thanked for that. However, while she did that my father was fighting in the RAF and my mother was escaping the nazis in the mountains of Austria - later to become a British citizen and work in the NHS as a nurse for decades. In the meantime, my partner from 1998 who suffered from severe lupus and then cancer, was the spokesperson for charities that raised money for medical research into lupus plus money to support victims of both lupus and cancer. She may not have raised as much money as a royal might do, but she dedicated her life to that without any recognition.

Pam passed away just before Christmas 2019 from lupus but she saved so many lives due to her efforts, but people wonder who is next in line for the throne or ex-royals from their several-million dollar homes complaining about their lives. But if they can at least address racism, that's some good they can do.

Apologies for the rant, I'm missing Pam very badly right now, but she taught me who the real heroes are.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 11:06
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Hokulea,

Fir the same reason I learnt how the US electoral college is elected and functions - I am interested in how they work and the history behind how they ended up the way they are.
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