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Old 10th Mar 2021, 10:49
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
The Railway Children first film version (1970) was the best.
I prefer the remake. It has nicer locos.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 18:51
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If one sees the remake before the original, one's preconceptions may make one feel that the remake was better, even if most or many others disagree, simply because the presentation of the version seen first is the expected norm, and the other version has to overcome that initial sense of difference to be even on a par. I've certainly noticed that, and also experienced it when subsequently reading a book upon which a film is based that I have seen first. There's also the effect of dating that seeing the earlier film after the remake has - everything from fashions to language are of its period and can seem less relevant than the remake, with which one perhaps identifies more closely because it is (usually) set more recently.

Two examples - The Taking of Pelham 123" and "Assault on Precinct 13" where I saw the remake first and the original later. In both cases I thought the remake was better, although many others disagree, at least according to IMDB votes.

Of course a crap remake is still a crap film, and many of the examples here I agree with, such as the Italian Job, Ghostbusters etc.

I've never seen the original of The Fly, but it would have to be very good to be better than the remake.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 22:48
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They just keep resurrecting the same plot
Yes, but a rolling stone gathers no moss.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 22:52
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Did that not cause some ribald comments from the cadets ,when she extracted the hard sausage from her pocket ?
Any man doing that would get a different type of reputation for himself.....
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 22:55
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I preferred the Neil Diamond remake of “The Jazz Singer”.....
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 12:36
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Call out to Heat, Mr Mann's remake with DeNiro and Pacino was a top notch effort. The original was made for TV if I recollect correctly.

Also out of the Michael Mann stable was Last of the Mohicans, a really fantastic movie and well worth looking at the background, particularly the military prep for it, advisor was Dale Dye, first movie advisor on Oliver Stones brilliant Platoon, then again was lead advisor on Private Ryan. Dales web site is Warriors, Inc. well worth a look on the stuff they do.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 07:13
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Originally Posted by Fly-by-Wife View Post
I've never seen the original of The Fly, but it would have to be very good to be better than the remake.
I watched the original film as a young kid and it scared the sh*t out of me. I haven't watched the remake, but I think your claim that what you think is the best film depending on which one you watched first is actually a very good one. At around the same period, I watched a movie about a man who kept getting smaller ("The Incredible Shrinking Man"?) and the fight with the spider still haunts me to this day. I don't know if there's been a remake but I probably won't watch it. In some cases, it's obvious that the remake isn't as good and there are a very limited number of remakes I think are better than the original (there are some), but you make an excellent point.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 10:00
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Originally Posted by rotorwills View Post
Call out to Heat, Mr Mann's remake with DeNiro and Pacino was a top notch effort. The original was made for TV if I recollect correctly.

Also out of the Michael Mann stable was Last of the Mohicans, a really fantastic movie and well worth looking at the background, particularly the military prep for it, advisor was Dale Dye, first movie advisor on Oliver Stones brilliant Platoon, then again was lead advisor on Private Ryan. Dales web site is Warriors, Inc. well worth a look on the stuff they do.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't Dale Dye also the advisor for the "Band of Brothers" miniseries?

Agree with Last of the Mohicans being a great movie. Was it a remake though?
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 10:00
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I saw a B/W film when I was very young where scientists conducting some sort of underground experiment managed to split the earth into two... the other hemisphere went spinning off into space. I must have been 5 I think...
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
Every day I learn something new that everybody else seems to know. On the other hand I often shout "But everybody knows that" when watching University Challenge when all eight contestants fail to answer what to me seems a very easy question. We all know some stuff and are ignorant of a lot more.
Likewise re Uni challenge. Fair comment.

I saw a touring version of Journeys End at Truro, with Phillip Franks playing the part of "uncle". Was excellent.
One of the best production I've seen was a travelling show of Mozart's Magic Flute (in a little pokey hall Whitehaven). Unbelievably good, and way better than many of the West End productions I've seen.
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Total Recall was a cracking film, the remake in 2012 not so.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 10:59
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
I saw a B/W film when I was very young where scientists conducting some sort of underground experiment managed to split the earth into two... the other hemisphere went spinning off into space. I must have been 5 I think...
We're of similar age, and have to admit that film doesn't ring a bell. Could it have been part of The Twilight Zone?

I love watching those old sci-fi films. The Day the Earth Stood Still was fun but I will go back and watch "Forbidden Planet" at any time.

PS. for "Airplane" fans, I had no idea that a very young Leslie Nielson played the commander in Forbidden Planet!

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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:15
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PS. A bit of an odd variation on the theme, but as a teenager, I first listened to H.G. Wells' "War of the Worlds" on the album by Jeff Wayne with Richard Burton narrating which I loved. I then read the original book which I thought was great - this is at the time like most UK teenagers I had to study English literature. I found Wells' writing much more entertaining than the stuff we had to read and try and understand for the O' level - Dickens' Great Expectations and Shakespeare's Twelfth Night plus a bunch of poems about King Arthur and something about clouds. (Somehow I passed with a c-grade).

Then there was the 2005 movie with Tom Cruise. I won't say anything because I don't think I can say it politely, but I haven't watched it again.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
... but I will go back and watch "Forbidden Planet" at any time.
Best Sci Fi film ever. Another B&W favourite was "The Thing From Another World", and even it's remake, "The Thing" is a good film.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 11:44
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I don't remember watching those, Dan, but given your good taste, I will now watch them when I get a chance!
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 15:44
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
PS. A bit of an odd variation on the theme, but as a teenager, I first listened to H.G. Wells' "War of the Worlds" on the album by Jeff Wayne with Richard Burton narrating which I loved..
Totally agree, great album.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 18:24
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't Dale Dye also the advisor for the "Band of Brothers" miniseries?
Not only was he an advisor, he had a prominent roll as (IIRC) Colonel Sink.
A big part of what made Band of Brothers so good was their attention to military and historical details - they even put the main actors through a mini 'boot camp'.
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 18:27
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
We're of similar age, and have to admit that film doesn't ring a bell. Could it have been part of The Twilight Zone?

PS. for "Airplane" fans, I had no idea that a very young Leslie Nielson played the commander in Forbidden Planet!
This is the one: Crack in the World. The denouement isn't quite as I remember, the other hemisphere spinning off into space is a new moon created by the damage done! Well it was 50 years ago and I was only five or so...

Leslie Nielson - Captain of the Poseidon as well, a fine actior!
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Old 12th Mar 2021, 21:51
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I saw Crack in the World in the cinema at an impressionably young age and was scared s***less. I wrote to the then Secretary of the British Board of Film Censors, John Trevelyan, to ask him to upgrade the certification of the film which was currently classified as a 'U'. I had a personally written reply, thanking me for my letter and saying that the matter would be discussed. Obviously nothing significant happened, but I still remember the final sequences of the film very well ... and when I saw it recently on UK TV, I think it was still outstanding for its time. And I'm still not quite sure what happened to everyone afterwards!
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 00:18
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
PS. for "Airplane" fans, I had no idea that a very young Leslie Nielson played the commander in Forbidden Planet!
"Airplane" totally changed Leslie Nielson's career path. Prior to 'Airplane', he did serious roles almost exclusively, after 'Airplane' he did comedic roles almost exclusively. Impressively he was quite good at both.
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