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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 10:46
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Cairns resigned following claims he had known about a former aides role in the "sabotage" of a rape trial.
Perverting the course of justice? That is still almost a hanging offence and covering it up is way more serious than just misleading the Scottish Parliament. Does anyone realy care? Other than those who have a vested interest in getting rid of her

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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 10:56
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The allegation is that there was a conspiracy to jail Salmond for the rest of his life.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 11:13
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Lessons will be learned. (Youze arrsies ha' better nae get me intae tha' shite again!)

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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 19:37
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All those wild allegations of this morning seem to have been just so much hot air. I can only imagine the disappointment at that rag The Spectator.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 08:22
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No response from the Get Nicola Done campaign? I presume innocence.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 08:51
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No response from the Get Nicola Done campaign? I presume innocence.
No response to your increasingly bizarre posts EM - keep takin' the pills
As Renfrew has posted twice - why not just wait until the end of the enquiry and then see where that result leads ??
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 09:24
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SALMOND VS. STURGEON

THE MORNING AFTER: Scotland wakes up dazed and wondering what’s next, after Nicola Sturgeon emerged mostly unscathed but with some questions still remaining from eight hours of questioning at Holyrood. In a session that managed to be simultaneously fascinating, draining and occasionally ridiculous, the first minister unarguably followed her predecessor Alex Salmond’s performance last week in showing off her political nimbleness under intense pressure — talents that show why the nationalist pairing has dominated Scottish politics for the past decade and a half. If you missed the action, catch up with this sharp set of five takeaways from Alasdair Lane for POLITICO.

Commentariat verdict: The Times’ Magnus Linklater — a former editor of the Scottish edition — declares Sturgeon survived, thanks to a “robust performance” … The Telegraph’s Alan Cochrane argues that though Sturgeon was taken aback by new witnesses contradicting her claim she’d never offered to intervene in proceedings on Salmond’s behalf, the committee’s poor performance, both yesterday and more generally, has let her off the hook … The Courier’s Kirsty Strickland says Sturgeon mostly gave an “assured performance,” but had some dicey moments under forensic questioning from Labour’s Jackie Baillie, who has received universal plaudits … and the New Statesman’s Chris Deerin says the first minister “on formidable form” managed to save her own skin — making it look “ever less likely there is a smoking gun that can force Sturgeon from office.”

WHAT’S NEXT: The Scottish Conservatives are continuing with their plans to force a vote of no confidence in the first minister, though it looks unlikely to succeed with other opposition parties indicating they won’t back it while the inquiries are still running. That could be debated in parliament as soon as this afternoon. As for the Holyrood committee, it isn’t quite done yet, even though Sturgeon was the final witness. Quibbles remain over government documents members of the committee says haven’t been provided in full — not least the legal advice that was finally published after a protracted battle on Tuesday night. Otherwise, members of the bitterly divided committee face the prospect of trying to write a united and complex report in the next three weeks before Holyrood breaks up for the election campaign.

Remember: The other — potentially more consequential — inquiry specifically focused on the ministerial code is also due to publish findings before May’s election.

REVISITING POLITICO’S 7 QUESTIONS: Here’s a quick summary of how Sturgeon answered the key claims against her, as posed by POLITICO’s Andrew McDonald beforehand

Was there a conspiracy against Salmond, and was she involved? Reiterating her position that no conspiracy exists — describing the assertion as “absurd” and “offensive” — Sturgeon denied having any motive to “get” Salmond. Addressing the mostly unpublished texts from senior officials that Salmond referred to as his evidence for the claim, she said many of them were taken out of context and are “not as presented.” In a moment that makes some front pages this morning, she said she had refused to follow “the age-old pattern of allowing a powerful man to use his status and connections to get what he wants.”

Why did her government continue to contest a judicial review arguably against legal advice? The first minister argued lawyers are almost never completely confident of success when they provide advice, and the government was taking a “legally sound” approach in continuing the case at the point it did. Accepting there were risks in continuing the case, she said there are risks involved every time a government defends a legal action — though she did apologize for the loss of taxpayers’ money and admitted that generally, a “very serious mistake” had been made.

Did she deliberately mislead parliament? Sturgeon expanded on her defense that she “forgot” about the March 29 meeting with Salmond aide Geoff Aberdein, talking of how the April 2 meeting left her “head spinning” as she learned the details of complaints against Salmond. According to the first minister, when she addressed parliament years later this was why the April rather than March meeting was the one that immediately came to mind. Opposition committee members expressed their incredulity at the suggestion she simply “forgot” about a meeting where she was told of complaints for the first time, with Sturgeon admitting she understood their skepticism.

Why did the government rewrite complaints policy to exclude her as rumors surfaced against Salmond? Sturgeon said Salmond “has a tendency to see most things as being about him” in response to his claim the policy was written with him in mind. She pointed instead to the Me Too movement as the inspiration for new policy. Alluding to questions about her role in the policy, she said she deemed it “appropriate” that the first minister’s role in complaints was removed during the drafting process.

Who is leaking? In response to Salmond’s corroborated claim that the identity of a complainer was leaked by a government official to his team, Sturgeon maintained under intense questioning that this didn’t happen as it has been described. She said she believed Salmond was already aware of the identities of two complainers and disputed new evidence released Tuesday that supported Salmond’s claim. As she was speaking, Team Salmond announced they were lodging a formal complaint about the conduct of the official who they allege to have leaked.

Why has nobody been sacked? Directly asked this question by Baillie, Sturgeon said she accepts people have got things wrong and that there might need to be some understanding of mistakes. However — and this is a point to bear in mind as the fallout continues — she did say things are “still in the process of investigation and inquiry.” Heads could still roll.

And if found to have broken the ministerial code, will she resign? Sturgeon’s determined performance and the clear support on show from most of her party yesterday made one thing plain — it will be very difficult to prise her from office.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 09:42
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Two enquiries ongoing and visible. Give them time. Impressive stamina though. How many (one witness) enquiries last several hours on camera ?
At least the in- house commercial airline investigations lasted only a few minutes, with the use of aircraft data download and impressive 3d reanimation. Nowhere to hide.
There it is fella and in full colour. Lessons were learned and shared. Never in politics.
Shameful that our young people can see what some adult leaders get up to, be it treating women badly, watching porn in the palace of Westminster or the Cecil Parkinson, John Major downfall.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 10:47
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
- why not just wait until the end of the enquiry and then see where that result leads ??
I watched much of yesterdays proceedings as an interested observer and have to say, there are at least two of the more combative members of the committee have a choice today of which bum to sit on. To use your 'scunner' vernacular, she ripped them a new ar*ehole and it was quite farcical at times. The comical thing was, they set themselves up, she simply obliged.

As you say, "wait until it's over" - it's a pity the Scottish Tories couldn't heed your advice. First the deputy FM, now the FM herself; I wonder who they'll try the 'lack of confidence' thing on tomorrow? Themselves perhaps?

I suspect the London luvvies (UK press) will slowly dissipate now as the realisation that she's likely to emerge stronger slowly dawns on them.

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Old 4th Mar 2021, 11:41
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I suspect the London luvvies (UK press) will slowly dissipate now as the realisation that she's likely to emerge stronger slowly dawns on them.
Also having spent a lot of time yesterday watching it 'live' and reading some newspaper accounts today I appear to have been watching a different event.

It was a masterclass on being a political leader defending a position, just in plain English, no latin quotes or blusters.

As my technical drawing teacher in my school kept telling me, its all about the presentation, it just has to look right, not actually be right.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 12:02
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Ruth Davidson just had a go during their FMQs. Wee Krankie wiped the floor with her, in my opinion.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 12:35
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She wipes the floor with all comers. A genuinely fine intellect. Compare and contrast with Patel, Useless Eustace, Williamson, the invisible Sue Ellen and the Fat Controller himself...oh and now Frosty the Snowman.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 13:03
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Ruth Davidson just had a go during their FMQs. Wee Krankie wiped the floor with her, in my opinion.
Ruth Davidson was undoubtedly the best asset the Tories have had in Scotland for a number of years, but in another own goal of epic proportions they're bumping her to the House of Lords which has holed her below the waterline, blown all credibility and given Fish Wifey a whopping great stick to hit her with, as you may have seen. (Certainly Sky showed it, BBC often edit that bit out cause Fish Wifey uses that line fairly regularly, almost every day infact )
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 13:14
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 13:19
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So that is what the anti SNP faction is reduced to? I think it's game,set and match.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 14:52
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She wipes the floor with all comers. A genuinely fine intellect. Compare and contrast with Patel, Useless Eustace, Williamson, the invisible Sue Ellen and the Fat Controller himself...oh and now Frosty the Snowman.
Really?
All I see is a classic lying and evasive politicion who will do anything to cling to power.
Much like any other politician...





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Old 8th Mar 2021, 08:26
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And our compliments to the First Minister this morning, for her gentle touch reprimand of the hundreds of Glasgow football fans who gathered illegally letting of flares and partying outside a football ground. Definitely SNP territory.

What an absolutely fabulous way to behave in public in the middle of a lockdown. Thank you Mr Glasgow Rangers. Way to go chaps......
Yes you really are a credit to the country.

The FM could have ordered water cannon and batons drawn which might have satisfied the fans passion for a wee rammy.
Come on scottish administration. Just.....say it as it....."Get back to your tenements and drink your Tennants you poor lawless selfish careless fools".

Standard Nato please Natalie, white with one and stirred to the right in the northern hemisphere.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 07:56
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SNP BOMBSHELL

Patrick Grady has resigned from his role as SNP Chief Whip at Westminster over sexual harassment allegations revealed by the Herald’s Hannah Rodger today. The SNP confirmed late last night an investigation is under way.

The allegations concern Grady’s behaviour at the SNP’s Christmas party in 2016, where it is alleged he groped two male researchers but was “protected” by the party and not fully investigated at the time.

The latter allegation has surfaced with particularly explosive timing for the SNP, which has been facing questions this week about whether its complaints system is fit for purpose.

The Daily Record quoted an SNP staffer earlier this week who accused two MPs — a male and female — of sexual harassment — allegations which he said the party “swept under the carpet.”

The staffer also accused Westminster leader Ian Blackford of an “ambush” after calling him into a meeting to accept an apology from the alleged male abuser.

The Herald’s Rodger said the complaint regarding Grady is separate from the allegations reported by the Daily Record.......
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 08:38
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BOMBSHELL
...more like a fart in a force 10.
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 09:18
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They picked a good news day to release the information.....
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