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Old 29th Mar 2021, 16:19
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The reason why Leave won was that a significant section of the electorate actually thought that leaving the EU would reduce the number of Islamic terrorists rather than the number of Polish plumbers.
Do you make up a new set of ludicrous assumptions daily or do you have a stock of them?
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Old 29th Mar 2021, 17:29
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
So what we have come down to is that the UK had a democratic right to leave the EU - and we certainly did - but Scotland must be denied the right to make a similar choice to leave the UK.

I hope Scotland does stay with us. But they are never going to be happy to be denied the choice. I don't blame them for that.
They did have the right to make a choice to leave the UK and that choice was put to the people of Scotland in the referendum in 2014 and the result was a resounding no to leave the UK. (with the remainers getting 55% and the leavers 45% so it's wrong to state that they were denied anything.
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Old 29th Mar 2021, 18:03
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The SNP has a lot of admiration for the EU: Especially their policy of keep holding referendums until you get the right answer.
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Old 29th Mar 2021, 18:05
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Sort of reminds me of the school playground where, if the bully lost the toss of a coin, he immediately demanded best of three.
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 07:33
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Such ingratitude.... The result being in England the pay board will probably end up recommending 4%, which will be seen as a victory over the government and lauded and accepted - whilst in Scotland.......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...ease-63jz6p7nr

Union tells NHS workers to reject 4% pay increase

NHS workers are being urged to reject the 4 per cent pay rise being offered by the Scottish government with union leaders insisting that it is not enough after a “wretched year”.

The GMB Scotland union is recommending its members turn down the offer when a consultative ballot is held next month. Karen Leonard, GMB Scotland organiser, said: “The offer doesn’t value our members properly, it doesn’t restore the pay they’ve lost after a decade of cuts, and it doesn’t secure their future. That’s why we are recommending its rejection.”

She added: “We see this pay offer for what it is: a pre-election punt by an outgoing health secretary that looks better than it really is when put up against the insulting 1 per cent increase for our NHS colleagues in England.”

The offer from the Scottish government, which has been backdated to December last year, applies to staff including nurses, midwives, paramedics and porters, and would see those on salaries below £25,000 receiving increases of more than £1,000.

It comes on top of the £500 “thank-you payment” to health and care workers in recognition of their efforts during the Covid-19 pandemic.


Leonard, speaking before a demonstration by nurses and other NHS staff in Glasgow yesterday, said: “It’s been a wretched year for our NHS workers and the Covid-19 pandemic has not only pushed them beyond their limits, but it’s also exposed the many underlying problems in our NHS because of its managed political decline . . .

After all the applause, we strongly believe the Scottish government can and should go further on our members’ pay.”


She said that this was the “least ministers can do after everything our NHS staff have done for all of us”......
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 08:21
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Of course their union telling them to reject the 4% is entirely different from them doing so. OTOH the remainder of UK health workers owe a debt of gratitude to the Scots for shaming Tubs de Pfeffel and his Bullingdon Strollers into matching their raise which, admittedly, still isn't generous in the circumstances. My feeling is that ordinary NHS employees should get a double figure increase.



I would also point out that they have given huge handouts to self employed people who they perceive to be their own supporters. I have received in excess of £30,000 in the past year based on my ownership of a zero rated business premise and my last three years earnings. I know people in a similar position running " pastime businesses" that have been treated similarly.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 01:13
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Such ingratitude.... The result being in England the pay board will probably end up recommending 4%, which will be seen as a victory over the government and lauded and accepted - whilst in Scotland.......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...ease-63jz6p7nr

Union tells NHS workers to reject 4% pay increase

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Sorry, I don't follow, (genuine question) - Whose ingratitude to who?

Did the same union not tell the English NHS workers to reject 1% - or did I miss it?
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 03:54
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I think the fact that ORAC failed to immediately rebut my post is telling. Maybe Central Office didn't gave a crib card to cover it.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 06:14
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EF,

I saw nothing to rebut.

Reference the self-employed. a constant complaint has been the number unable to claim as they hadn’t run their businesses long enough to qualify, think yourself lucky. How many if the millions effected vote Conservative is unknown and irrelevant.

As I understand it one had to apply for the money as a grant. If you did so whilst not needing it, it says more about you than the government funding it for those that did and do.
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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 08:37
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Define "need". My sole income is the state pension. Anything in addition to that has to be earned. I run my old business on a very part time basis and, as most of that is selling Citroen 2CV cars, I am affected by government regulations preventing me from travelling to France where I source most of my stock.
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 19:51
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Ipsos/Mori latest poll SNP on 53% and on course for an outright majority.
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 20:09
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More importantly PaddyPower (other ways of losing money are available) has odds of 1/100 that the SNP will win the most seats and evens for them getting a majority (65 seats or more).

They also give 1/40 that Indyref2 won't be until 2022 or later and that it's a dead heat on in/out.

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Old 8th Apr 2021, 09:11
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Ipsos/Mori latest poll SNP on 53% and on course for an outright majority.
This time five years ago the Daily Mail and Record had them on 54%. They still did not get a majority and then they did not have Alec to worry about.

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Old 8th Apr 2021, 17:48
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I don't Alex is causing many sleepless nights. More likely to take seats from other parties.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 21:21
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...lection-latest

Scotland out in the cold: 'We want you to stay’ result plummets over Scottish independence

The number of people concerned about Scotland remaining part of the UK has plummeted in a bombshell new poll.

A poll from Opinium for the Observer of 2,006 adults from April 8-9 found nearly six in ten (57 percent) thought it was “likely” Scotland would vote to leave the UK within the next five years, with just over a quarter (26 percent) believing it to be unlikely....

Before the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, nearly two-thirds of people in England and Wales told the pollster that wanted Scotland to remain part of the UK.But in the most recent poll, just a third (33 percent) opposed Scotland becoming independent.....
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 22:06
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SNP now projected to win 70 of 129 seats in May. Looks as if Tubs will oversee the breakup of the UK.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 22:23
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SNP now projected to win 70 of 129 seats in May. Looks as if Tubs will oversee the breakup of the UK.
Yes, just shows what democracy causes doesn’t it?
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 07:04
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Well after his success in N I, his little quip about Scotland, presumably Boris has also included the restoration of castles along the Welsh border as part of his grand infrastructure development promises.......

Union in peril as PM ‘speaks for England alone’, former civil servant warns | Boris Johnson | The Guardian
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 09:57
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...lection-latest

Scotland out in the cold: 'We want you to stay’ result plummets over Scottish independence

The number of people concerned about Scotland remaining part of the UK has plummeted in a bombshell new poll.

A poll from Opinium for the Observer of 2,006 adults from April 8-9 found nearly six in ten (57 percent) thought it was “likely” Scotland would vote to leave the UK within the next five years, with just over a quarter (26 percent) believing it to be unlikely....

Before the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, nearly two-thirds of people in England and Wales told the pollster that wanted Scotland to remain part of the UK.But in the most recent poll, just a third (33 percent) opposed Scotland becoming independent.....
The fact that only 33 percent opposed Scotland becoming independent would appear to show just how little the Union means to the majority of the English and Welsh. So why on earth is Tubs hell bent on preventing a second referendum?
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 12:03
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The fact that only 33 percent opposed Scotland becoming independent would appear to show just how little the Union means to the majority of the English and Welsh. So why on earth is Tubs hell bent on preventing a second referendum?
Because he always denied that this was an inevitable result of Brexit, and doesn't want to be held responsible for the breakup of the UK.
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