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Old 13th Feb 2021, 23:27
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Western built Russian a/c registered in Bermuda.

In order to avoid high Russian import taxes, many Russian airlines have their Western built a/c registered in Bermuda and Ireland. Is this more beneficial for the Russians, or financially a "Good earner" for the Bermudan authorities ?

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Old 14th Feb 2021, 09:46
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It's less about taxes and more about recovery, given that any aircraft which carries a Bermudan registration is leased anyway and only appears on the airlines' books as a leasing charge, not a purchase.. The leasing companies prefer the aircraft to be off the Russian register, because if they have to repossess them, it is much easier if the aircraft are on a neutral registration.
There is also the issue of certification. Most manufacturers won't go through the tedious process of certification in Russia (I speak as one of those who did the 125 certification there!), because it's simply not worth it for the number of aircraft involved. The offshore registration fulfils a number of other useful objectives as well!
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Old 14th Feb 2021, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Lance Shippey View Post
In order to avoid high Russian import taxes, many Russian airlines
have their Western built a/c registered in Bermuda and Ireland.
Is this more beneficial for the Russians, or financially a "Good
earner" for the Bermudan authorities ?
What would be beneficial for the Russians is to have an industry that could produce an airframe/engine combination as attractive to domestic operators as Western-built types are.
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Thanks for the good information
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What would be beneficial for the Russians is to have an industry that could produce an airframe/engine combination as attractive to domestic operators as Western-built types are.
As the saying goes, "You can take Tupolev (other manufacturers are available) out of Russia, but you can't take Russia out of Tupolev."
I remember dealing with Transaero in their early days and discussing the western equipment they were leasing. They said that they wanted to use Russian equipment, but the biggest problem was the availability of spares. Now where have we heard that before? :Smile

Interestingly, Beriev have learned a lesson about this. Airbus do their marketing and hold spares for all European-operated equipment.
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Thanks for the input Love the quote about the Tupolev, I remember a new Russian inbound tour operator in LED I had contact with. Remnants of Intourist had negotiations for bulk seats Worldwide with Tranaero. They had a big shortage of equipment from the West. I think they had a B747 at some time.
The owners of the tour operator were two woman, and chose Transaero because it was run by a woman.
Didn't help though. resulted in someone having a stroke during the talks

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NBC and Reuters report some hours ago that the U.S. and E.U
imposes sanctions over the poisoning of Alexei Navalny.

Mr Navalvy was flying TOF/DME with S7 Airlines when he
became seriously ill. The a/c diverted to OMS, where he
was rushed to number 1 hospital in Omsk, He was given
treatment by Dr Sergei Maksimishin, before being evacuated
by air ambulance OMS/BER.
Dr Sergei Maksimishin died suddenly a couple of weeks ago.
The S7 a/c was boarded by officials at DME and they wanted
to know where Mr Navalny had been seated, (row 10 or 11)
before being taken off the Bermudan registered a/c in OMS.

In view of the seriousness of Novishok poisoning having been
placed in Mr Navalny's underpants, The question comes to mind.
Could the seat that Mr Navalny was occupying have been
contaminated and a risk to further pax sitting in it ?
Were the row of three seats cleaned or removed when the S7
a/c was disembarked at DME.? As the a/c was registered in
Bermuda, would this affect the operation of this a/c on later
flights, as far as a lessor was concerned ?
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 09:28
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Not the first time "Underpants" used to deliver evil.
Flt. NW253 operating after NW had merged with DL
AMS/DTT 25.12.2009 became known as the" Underpants "
attempted bombing, when the al-Qaeda terrorist on board
A330-323E (N820NW) had placed explosives beneath
his underpants. The terrorist failed to detonate the bomb
properly, and received injuries to his own "Landing Gear"
rather than damage to the a/c.
I am certainly more understanding of security inspectors
having a "Good Grope" when going through airport scanning,
and then asked to have a physical check.

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Old 13th Mar 2021, 12:55
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Alexei Navalny moved two days ago from
Kolchugino jail to an undisclosed penal
colony to serve his sentence. Is this the
IK-2 Vladimir Oblast prison or similar
nearby? IK-2 also the name given to the
Ikarus Metal Monoplane fighter built in
Yugoslavia. Although the two unrelated
I hope that Mr Navalny is also the "Fighter"
he has demonstrated thus far. and we will
see his release soon. He certainly wins
my respect,

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Are the ca. 900+ a/c and ca. 90 + business
jets registered in Bermuda worth more to
the Bermudan economy than the countries
they operate from ?
Would there be Bermudan Safety officials
based in Russia to maintain safety issues
and requirements on a/c registered in Bermuda.?
Would this have included a cabin inspection
on VP-BQF B.737/800 the a/c operating S7
flt S72020 TOF/DME when it div to OMS due
to Mr Navalny requiring immediate hospital
treatment ?
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Reports carried by the BBC today suggest that
Mr Navalny is close to death. He is also denied
a visit by his own doctor in prison.
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Transaero jets (initially I believe the 737-200) were registered in Ireland way back in the mid 90's, this has been going on at least 25 years.
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Thanks for info on Irish Registered Transaero 737's
In the early days, I remember a lot of
business between USSR and Irish aviation.
especially with re-fuelling Russian built a/c
at Shannon. before flying Westbound, and
then on their return to SVO. I remember there
may have been Irish Interest in the Soviet
Barioska shops which were a type of $ shop
situated in the Intourist hotels.
I recall staying once at a SNN airport hotel,
which I think was used by Soviet Crews. and
described as located at the Russian village ?
I only stayed once, and after took a cab into
nearby towns for overnights.
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As you say Lance, this stems form the days when Soviet aircraft used to call at Shannon for refuelling before and after their transatlantic flights. Rumour had it that the fuel was supplied from Russia, though this seems unlikely. Following glasnost, a number of trade agreements were made between The Irish Republic and Russia, which included, amongst other things, the opening of Irish-themed pubs around Moscow, which were very popular with the locals. I believe that for a while Aer Rianta were involved in at least a consultancy capacity, revamping the duty-free shops at Sheremetyevo and Domodedovo.
The Irish registrations are explained by the leasing agreements with Irish-based companies, in particular ILFC, who had a base at Shannon, formed from the ruins of Tony Ryan's Guinness Peat Aviation.
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amongst other things, the opening of Irish-themed pubs around Moscow, which were very popular with the locals.
Indeed.. the Shamrock (opened '91), Molly Gwynn's (original version) and others.. many long gone but not forgotten by flash. They were expat haunts for many a year for myself, and indeed many others (some who may be reading this). There are many long-term Irish expats in Moscow that have remained nearly three decades. The Russians have a great respect (and affection for) the emerald isle.
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Indeed.. the Shamrock (opened '91), Molly Gwynn's (original version) and others.. many long gone but not forgotten by flash. They were expat haunts for many a year for myself, and indeed many others (some who may be reading this). There are many long-term Irish expats in Moscow that have remained nearly three decades. The Russians have a great respect (and affection for) the emerald isle.
I remember going into the Shamrock one night and asking in my best Russian for two beers, to which the response (in an Irish accent) was, "And what part of the UK are you from, then?"
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