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Old 7th Jan 2021, 08:49
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What an excellent time for China to move into Taiwan, or close the South China Sea.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
Putin, Kim Il Jong and many others must be rubbing their hands in glee.
Probably so. Schadenfreude is a thing.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 13:27
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash View Post
The woman that died was a 14 yr 4 tour Air Force Vet
Very sad. And ironic, given the chubby pseudo-military, body armour crowd, more typical of mouthy Trumpers. Also ironic that she, a vet, didn't see the folly in running toward the guys with guns, who she knew were there to protect the pollies.

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 13:36
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I am pleasantly surprised that not more people got killed. It looks like a setup by the riot organizers to provoke exactly this to happen. It's great that the Capitol could be cleared of the mob early on before they could set it on fire or similar.

After letting them in first finally some very good police work and handling of the chaos.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:14
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
I am pleasantly surprised that not more people got killed. It looks like a setup by the riot organizers to provoke exactly this to happen. It's great that the Capitol could be cleared of the mob early on before they could set it on fire or similar.

After letting them in first finally some very good police work and handling of the chaos.
4 people killed is a good result?

These 4 people died because they believed in Trump and his cronies lies. Trump and Josh Hawley have blood on their hands.

The question should be why did the police not arrest the scum as they just walked out of the building. If they had been Black, you can be sure more shots would have been fired.

Disgraceful actions by the police, whoever was in charge letting them in and taking selfies with the Scum American terrorists. You must wonder if some in the police was supporting Trump by letting this happen.

Don't forget the treat from the day before, about flying an airplane into the Capitol, recording was caught on ATC on the 5.th of January.


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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:16
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Is that a cross-post from the Darwin Award thread?
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:22
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The story that the VP called out the National Guard because the President declined to do so is false.

In fact the National Guard was called out 3 days ago by the Mayor in anticipation on yesterday’s events.

The failure would seem to be on the part of the Mayor, and army, in the number deployed and decision not to send any to the Capitol.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...d-for-protests

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bracing for possible violence, the nation's capital has mobilized the National Guard ahead of planned protests by President Donald Trump's supporters in connection with the congressional vote expected Wednesday to affirm Joe Biden's election victory......

.....Because D.C. does not have a governor, the designated commander of the city’s National Guard is Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy. Any D.C. requests for Guard deployments have to be approved by him.

The defense official said that there will be no active duty military troops in the city, and the U.S. military will not be providing any aircraft or intelligence.

The D.C. Guard will provide specialized teams that will be prepared to respond to any chemical or biological incident. But the official said there will be no D.C. Guard members on the National Mall or at the U.S. Capitol........

The story is not false, it has been confirmed by multiple sources that Mike Pence actioned the National Guard, as Trump was busy enjoying the riots on TV.
Trump has committed treason, him and his cronies should be tried for sedition and treason, with capital punishment as the potential penalty, to make sure nobody in the future tries this illegal activity again.


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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:33
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
The story is not false, it has been confirmed by multiple sources that Mike Pence actioned the National Guard, as Trump was busy enjoying the riots on TV.
Trump has committed treason, him and his cronies should be tried for sedition and treason, with capital punishment as the potential penalty, to make sure nobody in the future tries this illegal activity again.
How do you know that for fact though?

This is the problem with American and also British politics now.

It's all about voting for someone because you hate the other guy! At the end of the day, no politician has the country's interests at heart. They just care about themselves and the elite.

Why did people vote Biden? To get rid of Trump.

Is Biden a good alternative? Hell no. But was there anyone else? No. Why not? USA has a large population? Surely there must be someone out there to run the country right?

It's exactly like I am flying over Europe and I have a LAND ASAP on my ECAM and I decide to divert to an alternate to Japan.

If all politicians worked together as one, the country and even world would be such a better and more peaceful place. But who would hold that one party to account? Why do politicians need to be held accountable if they were doing things correctly?
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 14:46
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IMHO, this sad event is given an over-reaction in the media. Obvious fail of police and all security services involved. All the new establishment are (for a long time) saying that "mad bull lost its way", but taking no due measures.
The active "protesters" were not measured in hundreds K, more likely it was a relatively small but very aggressive "core" that should have been "neutralised" in advance. Shame what the mob were doing in the offices, but saying that the country has lost its face seems too pessimistic. Things sometimes happen.
What really needs changes is the voting system. Not in the US only (where it's indeed quite obsolete), but in many many countries. We see more and more populists that wash brains of millions (often successfully) and become kings of the hills, but cannot manage some critical vectors of the politics.

As a remark: hardly can be compared to Moscow in early 90's when Yeltsin (heavily supported by the US and Western Europe, BTW) ordered to use tanks against the parliament.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 15:08
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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
IMHO, this sad event is given an over-reaction in the media. Obvious fail of police and all security services involved. All the new establishment are (for a long time) saying that "mad bull lost its way", but taking no due measures.
The active "protesters" were not measured in hundreds K, more likely it was a relatively small but very aggressive "core" that should have been "neutralised" in advance. Shame what the mob were doing in the offices, but saying that the country has lost its face seems too pessimistic. Things sometimes happen.
What really needs changes is the voting system. Not in the US only (where it's indeed quite obsolete), but in many many countries. We see more and more populists that wash brains of millions (often successfully) and become kings of the hills, but cannot manage some critical vectors of the politics.

As a remark: hardly can be compared to Moscow in early 90's when Yeltsin (heavily supported by the US and Western Europe, BTW) ordered to use tanks against the parliament.
Sure around 100.000 Trump supporters who was there is a small number.

Or 70% of his 72 million supporters believe Biden won fraudulently. And believe they been called to arms by Trump to defend the nation.

There are many guns and militias in the USA, ready to support Trump. So please don't be naive.

Giuliani called "Trial by Combat" These are domestic Terrorists looking to take over the nation for Trump, their naked King.

I agree change the election system, make sure the President is the one who wins the popular vote- isn't that the fair way of an election, the one who gets most votes wins?



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Old 7th Jan 2021, 15:36
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Originally Posted by A320 Glider View Post
It's exactly like I am flying over Europe and I have a LAND ASAP on my ECAM and I decide to divert to an alternate to Japan.
Thank you for that helpful analogy.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:11
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For the most part, the participants in this thread display an almost total ignorance of what actually occurred in Washington D.C. yesterday (6th Jan 21). With that said, I cannot blame them too much as they are not even residents of the USA and are limited in their news sources to social media and "legacy" media. For example, the statement that four people were killed during the riot is incorrect. One person was killed (by police), and 3 died of natural causes. It should be noted that many of the demonstrators were of advanced age, and it is not surprising that some died during the excitement. It is my opinion (backed by thus far limited information) that antifa/blm personnel infiltrated the demonstration and ignited the riot.

I could go on a rant concerning the social and news media of this country (USA); however, I'll spare you (and me).

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:30
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Originally Posted by capngrog View Post
It is my opinion (backed by thus far limited information) that antifa/blm personnel infiltrated the demonstration and ignited the riot.

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I'll admit to my total ignorance if you can show a shred of evidence that 'antifa/BLM' were to blame.

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:34
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Originally Posted by capngrog View Post
For the most part, the participants in this thread display an almost total ignorance of what actually occurred in Washington D.C. yesterday (6th Jan 21). With that said, I cannot blame them too much as they are not even residents of the USA and are limited in their news sources to social media and "legacy" media. For example, the statement that four people were killed during the riot is incorrect. One person was killed (by police), and 3 died of natural causes. It should be noted that many of the demonstrators were of advanced age, and it is not surprising that some died during the excitement. It is my opinion (backed by thus far limited information) that antifa/blm personnel infiltrated the demonstration and ignited the riot.

I could go on a rant concerning the social and news media of this country (USA); however, I'll spare you (and me).

Cheers,
Grog
Watching live feeds from US networks is not legacy or social media. 4 people died in a place they should not have been in as they were trying to tresspass on US house legislation business.. You assumption that left wing/minority groups caused the riot to break out is the biggest load of misinformation one will read on here today, Your opinion and not fact. Trump incited an event that has not taken place since my countrymen did so in 1812. That is a fact, not your fiction as again it was on mainstream TV around the world. I wonder when they get questioned on their reason to invade the Captiol, their reason will be "Because POTUS told us to."

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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:35
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Shame on those wily "antifa/blm personnel" for luring a bunch of advanced-age demonstrators past the barricades and into the building!
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:37
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Originally Posted by capngrog View Post
For the most part, the participants in this thread display an almost total ignorance of what actually occurred in Washington D.C. yesterday (6th Jan 21). With that said, I cannot blame them too much as they are not even residents of the USA and are limited in their news sources to social media and "legacy" media. For example, the statement that four people were killed during the riot is incorrect. One person was killed (by police), and 3 died of natural causes. It should be noted that many of the demonstrators were of advanced age, and it is not surprising that some died during the excitement. It is my opinion (backed by thus far limited information) that antifa/blm personnel infiltrated the demonstration and ignited the riot.

I could go on a rant concerning the social and news media of this country (USA); however, I'll spare you (and me).

Cheers,
Grog
Yes please spare us the garbage of OAN, Newsmax and Fox - there are plenty of videos online identifying those involved from Qanon, Proud boys, and other MAGA supporting groups.

The question is who helped these groups get in, this was a failed Coup, he tried to push Pence to join him, and the Georgia recording shows his attempt of sedition.

So please spare us such disgraceful lies. Let's hope they bring Trump to justice for Sedition and Treason, and I would fully support the death penalty if convicted.

The US election was fraudulent, Trump tried to win the election by fraud, and he lost.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:48
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
Let's hope they bring Trump to justice for Sedition and Treason, and I would fully support the death penalty if convicted.
Yes please, bring it on . Tried, found guilty, sentenced to death and then pardoned by Biden. Probably worse for him than actually being executed. Whilst I am anti death penalty and would not want him turned into a martyr for the right wing, this man is fundamentally dangerous to whole world and there is always a possibility that a subsequent Republican President could pardon him



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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:49
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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
IMHO, this sad event is given an over-reaction in the media. Obvious fail of police and all security services involved. All the new establishment are (for a long time) saying that "mad bull lost its way", but taking no due measures.
The active "protesters" were not measured in hundreds K, more likely it was a relatively small but very aggressive "core" that should have been "neutralised" in advance. Shame what the mob were doing in the offices, but saying that the country has lost its face seems too pessimistic. Things sometimes happen.
What really needs changes is the voting system. Not in the US only (where it's indeed quite obsolete), but in many many countries. We see more and more populists that wash brains of millions (often successfully) and become kings of the hills, but cannot manage some critical vectors of the politics.

As a remark: hardly can be compared to Moscow in early 90's when Yeltsin (heavily supported by the US and Western Europe, BTW) ordered to use tanks against the parliament.
That was a mistake, we ended up with Putin.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:50
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Yes please, bring it on . Tried, found guilty, sentenced to death and then pardoned by Biden. Probably worse for him than actually being executed. Whilst I am anti death penalty and would not want him turned into a martyr for the right wing, this man is fundamentally dangerous to whole world and there is always a possibility that a subsequent Republican President could pardon him

I would just have the IRS agents waiting for him.
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Old 7th Jan 2021, 17:58
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Shame on those wily "antifa/blm personnel" for luring a bunch of advanced-age demonstrators past the barricades and into the building!
They were not only wily, they were extremely devious, wearing all-black clothing that made them look entirely white. How are you supposed to spot those undercover BLM agitators when none of them are black? The cunning swine.
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