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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 23:48
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What is the difference between Traffic Cops and Police Interceptors?
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 02:34
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Essentially two different TV production companies covering the same storyline. Traffic Cops is focussed mainly on motorway patrols and Police Interceptors can have a broader reach involving drugs busts etc.

Both detail the terrible state of our criminal justice system - just listen to the paltry sentences handed down at the end of the shows.
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Both detail the terrible state of our criminal justice system - just listen to the paltry sentences handed down at the end of the shows.
That's the bit that gets me whenever I've watched one of these programmes. Even when seemingly caught red-handed, it seems that it's very rare for any of them to receive a significant sentence, and more often than not they end up walking away with no penalty at all. Seems a bit of a mystery as to why so many apparently guilty individuals don't get successfully prosecuted, especially given the weight of evidence that's often apparent from the video shown in the programme.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 09:41
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I'm told by someone closely involved that the TV production cameras cannot be used as evidence. Only official police recordings can be shown in court.
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Only official police recordings can be shown in court.
Are you sure about that? I sat on a jury where video recordings from a private CCTV (mounted on a house) were shown as prosecution evidence. What's the difference between that and a TV Crew's camera?

...and while we're on about fall-downs in sentencing when the crim's actions are caught on camera, the scrote who desecrated The Cenotaph and tried to set fire to the standards has, according to press reports, walked free from court.
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Originally Posted by 4mastacker View Post
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Are you sure about that? I sat on a jury where video recordings from a private CCTV (mounted on a house) were shown as prosecution evidence. What's the difference between that and a TV Crew's camera?

...and while we're on about fall-downs in sentencing when the crim's actions are caught on camera, the scrote who desecrated The Cenotaph and tried to set fire to the standards has, according to press reports, walked free from court.
Yet the son of the guitarist got 16 months for hanging on the flag - serving four months.
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Originally Posted by 4mastacker View Post
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Are you sure about that? I sat on a jury where video recordings from a private CCTV (mounted on a house) were shown as prosecution evidence. What's the difference between that and a TV Crew's camera?

...and while we're on about fall-downs in sentencing when the crim's actions are caught on camera, the scrote who desecrated The Cenotaph and tried to set fire to the standards has, according to press reports, walked free from court.
I was referring to those particular shows.

Certainly domestic CCTV can and has been used in court. Police have been very grateful for ours on two occasions.
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I wonder if that's a condition of them being allowed to film normal police work? Seems odd otherwise, as video evidence is video evidence, really, it doesn't seem to matter where it's come from, as long as it can be verified as having been shot without interference.
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I wonder if that's a condition of them being allowed to film normal police work? Seems odd otherwise, as video evidence is video evidence, really, it doesn't seem to matter where it's come from, as long as it can be verified as having been shot without interference.
As I was told, it was a contractual issue.
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Cyclists' video evidence has certainly been used to prosecute dangerous drivers - I don't know if any motorists have provided dash cam evidence that has been used successfully by the police for prosecutions. I was wondering if photographic evidence supplied to my local council could be used against the who persist in parking on the pavements around here...
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I sent into my council photo evidence of vehicles parking with all 4 wheels on the pavement and pedestrians could squeeze past but push or wheel chairs would need to to go onto the road or the grass verge.
Council reply was that parking on the pavement was not illegal. With no mention about blocking to disabled or prams.
I gave up

However whenever I pass cars with wheels on pavements I unfortunately seem stumble into the door mirrors, if they are not retracted

My Son lives inside the North Circular and cars are banned from wheels on pavements unless specifically marked.
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Yeah, I'm in London where it is illegal unless expressly permitted. Funnily enough I seem to find door mirrors act like magnets to my clumsiness as well. Though I'm thinking of updating my methods to a Sharpie and an unsubtle message for them to admire if they bother to use the mirror. Delivery vans on the side roads are the worst. They're still blocking one lane of the road to traffic and they are blocking the pavement as well.
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Originally Posted by IBMJunkman View Post
This colonial is watching old shows on YouTube.

What is the difference between Traffic Cops and Police Interceptors?
Others have answered your questions, but all I wanted to add is that I do the same. Every so often I watch some UK cop shows. It makes a change from watching US cop shows. I'm not going to say anything about one being better than the other, that's would get messy, but the one big difference I see is that it's common for someone to get out of their car when stopped by UK cops, but if you do that in the US you're likely to have the cops draw their gun. I'm not saying either is wrong, but it's a big difference.
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Hokulea - The thing repeatedly drummed into us UK aircrew on exercise arrival briefings in the States was - You are not in the UK so if you are driving and are stopped by the police under no circumstances get out of your car and calmly say "Can I help you officer?".
Just stay in the car - hands on the wheel in plain sight and do as you are told.
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Yes, I marveled at some of the sentences. Too lenient is some cases and too draconian in others. I like the amount of cases that resulted in loss of driving privileges. I wish we did more of the loss of license punishments. Especially for multiple drunk (drink) driving infractions.

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Essentially two different TV production companies covering the same storyline. Traffic Cops is focussed mainly on motorway patrols and Police Interceptors can have a broader reach involving drugs busts etc.

Both detail the terrible state of our criminal justice system - just listen to the paltry sentences handed down at the end of the shows.
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Hokulea - The thing repeatedly drummed into us UK aircrew on exercise arrival briefings in the States was - You are not in the UK so if you are driving and are stopped by the police under no circumstances get out of your car and calmly say "Can I help you officer?".
Just stay in the car - hands on the wheel in plain sight and do as you are told.
It is really the difference where in the USA guns are prevalent so a dodgy character stopped for a driving infraction may be armed whereas in the UK that is generally unlikely.

In 1987 I went to the USA for a holiday for the first time. It was Florida. My pal and I were lost. We pulled up at a roadside coffee stop where two American cops were having a coffee. I jumped out of the car and walked up to them to ask directions. They both took a step back and their right hands dropped to their guns! Fortunately when I spoke they realised I was one of those weird limeys not used to quaint American customs, like avoiding being shot!
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Headstone and M.Mouse - thanks for your replies. Yes, it gets drummed into you in the US not to get out of the car and I fully understand why. As M. Mouse says, the chances of someone in a car in the US being armed, whether legally or not, is much higher than in the UK. If you get stopped at night, then turn on your courtesy light. Keep your hands on the wheel etc.

As I said, I'm not saying one country is better than another, but it does take some getting used to if you move from the UK to the US. As an example (and nothing to do with vehicles), my organization had some problems with trespassing on our remote site on top of a mountain, people decided it was funny and cool to climb on the building. We had cameras that caught the whole thing but given it's such a remote area there was little we could do, so we talked to the local police and invited them to a meeting at our office. A very nice and polite police officer came over and we talked about options and crime prevention for about an hour, but he was carrying a gun, pretty normal over here. But during the whole meeting I just couldn't stop thinking about I'm in a meeting with someone with a gun.

I'm not complaining about it, it's how things are done in the US and I chose to move here, but for someone from the UK, it takes a lot of getting used to.
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Nobody told me about that when driving in the US - which I have done many times - gulp !

For those snapping off door mirrors; yes some drivers are selfish and inconsiderate, but other drivers might have been considering road users as well as pavement users and trying not to cause too much obstruction to either, especially fire engines and ambulances etc.
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Nobody told me about that when driving in the US - which I have done many times - gulp !
I probably exaggerated a little bit, it's not something you get told as a tourist. But after living a few years in the US, watching the news, talking to friends, etc., you do start to learn how to behave if you get stopped. Fortunately, it hasn't happened to me, just about every interaction I've had with the police is as a witness and they have been few and far between. The others were in pre-arranged meetings. I should also add that where I live, serious crime is rare. It happens and I think it's on the increase, but it's still at a low level. I don't think I can speak for someone who lives in a major US city, I'm sure they have a very different experience than I do.
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