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Old 9th Nov 2020, 21:00
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Another "lovable rogue"

A man was recently shot dead by police in Swindon because he was brandishing a weapon which turned out to be an air rifle.
According to his former partner,
He looked like quite a hard man, with his bald head and big chest, but he was a loveable rogue.
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Just because police have the authority to have guns, does not mean that they have to shoot them at a normal person, on a normal street.

That police officer will hang for this. I'll make sure of it. I'm going to see to it that my boys get the justice they deserve for their dad
Well, I'm sorry for your loss love but a "normal person" wouldn't use a weapon to try to intimidate others following an on street argument and why was he still holding it when armed police arrived?
It might have been an air rifle but some of these can be very high powered and even a low powered model could still injure or kill if someone is shot in the face.

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Old 9th Nov 2020, 21:25
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As the saying goes, “live by the sword, die by the sword”.

High powered air weapons are classed as firearms and any air weapon is potentially lethal. It’s only to be expected that a police officer faced with one should assume that it’s a lethal weapon.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 01:07
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There has been a lot of chat about this on the internet. I would say the general opinion is coming down 75/25 in favour of the police action being entirely justified. The others vary between the usual anti police rants (agents of the fascist state, etc) to people assuming that a firearms officer should be able to tell the difference between an air rifle and a firearm, although as Shy Torque says a lot of these are powerful enough to be classified as firearms in any case. But surely the point is, he has to assume the worst, and when someone points a weapon at him he is entirely justified in shooting. I sincerely hope that the Police Complaints Authority who will automatically get involved exonerate the police officer 100%.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 02:20
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I suppose it all hangs on the moment the police honed in and the man raised and pointed (or not) his weapon. I'd have thought the police, once sighted up and the finger moved to the trigger, there would have been that moment to look deeper, BUT, I frequently walk past the monument to PC Brian Bishop - who was armed but killed by a man with a gun in his sack. I seem to recall he swung around and fired imediately in the general direction of the officers. There might be almost no time. Brain chemistry radically altered. There's not really the luxury of a thinking break.

I avoided using the word, hangs, but it's the exact word for the job.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 07:14
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I remember that my Green Card for rules of engagement when i was in the RAF said that if someone points at you WHAT YOU BELIEVE to be a firearm, then shooting is justified...
I was also taught by father as a boy, that you never point a gun of any kind at someone, unless you intend to kill them...Not wound, or even frighten them, but to kill them...
So if some idiot decides to try it on with armed Police, then they only have themselves to blame...
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 09:49
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A "Loveable Rogue"? - well every one is a "Loveable Rogue" after they are wiped out and are lying in a casket.

How many more "Loveable Rogues" will realize that they are no longer loved when they point a weapon at the law?

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 09:52
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And lots of air rifles are beefy lumps- from 30, 40 metres, it won't look that different from a .22 cal rifle.

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 10:42
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"people assuming that a firearms officer should be able to tell the difference between an air rifle and a firearm"

I have several air weapons that I use only in the garden for leisure target shooting. One of them is a replica 1911 SLP pistol. I defy anyone to tell the difference from a few feet away. All the weapons that I have could do a lot of personal damage.

​​​​​​​The police were correct in their actions.

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 11:48
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I shoot and have both shotguns and 1nr German air rifle. As others have said from a distance the rifle looks to be of a some what higher calibre, but the rule would always be if I was confronted by the Police for some reason would be to put the gun down. Therefore I do not believe the PC should have a case to answer.

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 12:07
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At least the lovable rogue won't be threatening or intimidating anyone else with a weapon.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 12:29
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An acquaintance of mine was hit in the eye by some fool playing with an air rifle. He lost that eye and came within a heartbeat of loosing his life.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 12:30
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In every one of these type of incidents the culprits are always out to be a victim quite simply of you brandish a weapon in a street you are neither a victim or some sort of 'good guy' and you deserve what you get.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 12:38
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
An acquaintance of mine was hit in the eye by some fool playing with an air rifle. He lost that eye and came within a heartbeat of loosing his life.
We were allowed to have air guns when I was at school and a couple of friends of mine who did used to go after rabbits in the woods. They even got one once. Naturally it developed into a silliness akin to "skirmish"; I got shot in the arse despite being unarmed - fortunately jeans were good protection so it merely stung - but one lad fired his air rifle over the head of another who was crouching down just as he stood up. He copped the pellet just above an eye and it slid up his skull under the scalp - lots of blood and swearing. Visit to hospital followed by an interview with the headmaster and a week's suspension for them both - and air guns banned forthwith.
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At least it wasn't the leg of a chair
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 12:56
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I suppose it depends on what "air rifle" he was using. Quite a few are rigged up to look like assault rifles - one is a pretty accurate external representation of an AK-47 - and others are made to simulate shotguns.

If I was an armed officer and someone pointed this .177 air rifle at me, I'd definitely shoot them.

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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I shoot and have both shotguns and 1nr German air rifle. As others have said from a distance the rifle looks to be of a some what higher calibre, but the rule would always be if I was confronted by the Police for some reason would be to put the gun down. Therefore I do not believe the PC should have a case to answer.

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Blacksheep View Post
I suppose it depends on what "air rifle" he was using. Quite a few are rigged up to look like assault rifles - one is a pretty accurate external representation of an AK-47 - and others are made to simulate shotguns.

If I was an armed officer and someone pointed this .177 air rifle at me, I'd definitely shoot them.
And when I posted, Blacksheep, I had no idea you could get them looking like SEAL team assault rifle!

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 13:57
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Originally Posted by matkat View Post
In every one of these type of incidents the culprits are always out to be a victim quite simply of you brandish a weapon in a street you are neither a victim or some sort of 'good guy' and you deserve what you get.

I have no idea of who you assume to be the culprit or the victim, since it's not clear that any laws were an issue.Are we saying that chit happens? and somebody must take the blame?
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 14:27
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Even if it didn't look like an AK47, and you point it at a Police Officer you have sealed your own fate.
The modern Air Rifles are lethal.
I bought a new one a couple of years ago to replace my break barrel rifle.
The air canister on the new one has to be filled with a special compressor and is extremely accurate.
This thing would likely pierce a skull at 40m and leave an entry and exit wound to a chest.

If he pointed a rifle shaped weapon at an armed officer then tough shit idiot you won the stupid prize.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 14:36
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At least he was white and bald.
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