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Old 14th Sep 2020, 15:38
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Life on Venus?

Phosphine has been discovered in the atmosphere of Venus. Phosphine is a biomarker and may indicate that there are microbes in the upper clouds of Venus. Obviously, if it turns out to be caused by microbes, this is a major discovery and the good news is Venus is close enough that sending a probe to the planet to sample the atmosphere is possible in the very near future, perhaps even returning a sample to Earth.

https://www.eaobservatory.org/jcmt/2...mt-venus-news/

https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/news/hints-life-venus

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54133538

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Feel the burn - best back the capsule of solid stuff. And any life would have to pretty hardy as well......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus

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Venusian clouds are thick and are composed mainly (75-96%) of sulfuric acid droplets......

Sulfuric acid is produced in the upper atmosphere by the Sun's
photochemical action on carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and water vapour.Ultravioletphotons of wavelengths less than 169 nm can photodissociate carbon dioxide into carbon monoxide and monatomic oxygen. Monatomic oxygen is highly reactive; when it reacts with sulfur dioxide, a trace component of the Venusian atmosphere, the result is sulfur trioxide, which can combine with water vapour, another trace component of Venus's atmosphere, to yield sulfuric acid......

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...crobes/616342/
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Doesn't surprise me, it seems anywhere with chemistry could harbour the building blocks of life. Here on Earth primitive organisms* flourish in hot geysers and deep sea fumaroles.


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Old 14th Sep 2020, 16:14
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
Phosphine has been discovered in the atmosphere of Venus. Phosphine is a biomarker and may indicate that there are microbes in the upper clouds of Venus.
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It's at least 40 years since I saw some drawings in a newspaper that have stuck in my mind. Balloon-like creatures that could rise and fall at a whim. There were strings to the beings more important parts, and they hang like an early hot air balloon basket. All in the mind of the article writer of course. I'm 90% sure it was Venus they were speculating about. However, what if one was in the net when we returned it to Earth?

Balloon all limp and a really sad expression on its gondola. Huge mathematical equations on some kind of bio-calculator it was happily using. We'd have an absolute responsibility to return it to exactly where we found it. It might have a wife and children. Good luck with that. But suppose the entire Earth's resources went into the moral dilemma. We got it back, and filmed the reunification, just as our cameras were dissolving. Years later we found not one of his people believed his abduction story.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 02:41
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All we need do is interview Dan Dare, he went to Venus and defeated the resident Mekon led Treen forces in 1996.
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this one is definitely on track to become the weirdest thread of the year...

back to the matter at had I hear from my exobiology friends that this announcement, if interesting, is way premature. There should be a lot more effort put into understating phosphine and Venus in general before crying wolf ! Nice story, though.
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
... I hear from my exobiology friends that this announcement, if interesting, is way premature. There should be a lot more effort put into understating phosphine and Venus in general before crying wolf ! Nice story, though.

What announcement? No-one is claiming to have discovered life on Venus. The authors have said that they appear to have found the signature of phosphine in the atmosphere of Venus and so far have failed to come-up with a non biological explanation and are inviting input from others. That's a very long way from announcing extraterrestrial life!

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There should be a lot more effort put into understating
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 06:13
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I agree with double_barrel. The discovery is that phosphine has been detected in Venus' atmosphere, no more. It may indicate there is life on Venus, but it doesn't mean there is. Either way, it's a very significant discovery.

In the meantime - Loose rivets - I remember reading something very similar to you you describe when I was a kid except it was about what life on Jupiter might be like, not Venus. I'll have to dig around Google to see if I can find any references to it. It would have been about 40 years ago.
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Phosphine = penguin farts.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
However, what if one was in the net when we returned it to Earth?

Balloon all limp and a really sad expression on its gondola. Huge mathematical equations on some kind of bio-calculator it was happily using. We'd have an absolute responsibility to return it to exactly where we found it. It might have a wife and children. Good luck with that. But suppose the entire Earth's resources went into the moral dilemma. We got it back, and filmed the reunification, just as our cameras were dissolving. Years later we found not one of his people believed his abduction story.
And then the lawsuits start.
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Do any of us care?
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 14:20
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Do any of us care?
I do. I think a lot of other people do as well. Finding a biomarker of possible life elsewhere in the universe is a big deal to many people. On the other hand, there are a few people that couldn't give a toss. So why even bother posting on the thread? And who is "us"?
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