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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 18:22
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Illegal Raves

When reading recent reports of thousands of unmasked people attending illegal 'raves', keeping villages awake all night and doubtless spreading COVID, a single question keeps popping into my mind. On what occasions, if ever, do the British police use tear gas?
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 18:44
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Or water cannon 😀.
Is there such a thing as a legal rave, and what makes them illegal under criminal law?
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 18:47
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Or water cannon 😀.
Is there such a thing as a legal rave, and what makes them illegal under criminal law?
Don't know but a certain former Home Secretary ensured water cannon would be illegal.
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 18:49
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When reading recent reports of thousands of unmasked people attending illegal 'raves', keeping villages awake all night and doubtless spreading COVID, a single question keeps popping into my mind. On what occasions, if ever, do the British police use tear gas?
Very, very rarely, and only when there seems to be a serious risk to life or property, it seems. I believe the standard policy the police use now is to intervene as little as possible, partly because they simply don't have the resources to do very much, partly because they risk inflaming things by intervening with any sort of "show of strength" and partly, I suspect, because there is always some concern about how their actions may play out on social media, and what may result from that. I can't be much fun knowing that a thousand phones are recording and selectively publishing edited "highlights" designed to show the police in the worst possible light.

The main issue with these raves is the same as it's always been, I think, the noise and disruption they cause to the local communities where they are held. They probably don't present a significant infection risk to those communities, simply because they don't tend to interact with local people, if anything they probably go out of their way to keep a low profile, at least when arriving. They probably spread the disease around amongst themselves, so probably spreading it around the country when they take it back to their families, but concern for others has never exactly been high on the priority list for the sort of people that either run these events or attend them.

Water bombing or aerial spraying these illegal outdoor events, with water that has a strong permanent dye added to it, has occurred to me before as being a tactic that might work, and needs little in the way of police resource. Could be fairly cheap to do, and safe enough if the right stuff was used. I dare say that some might think twice about attending, or organising, illegal events like this if they thought they might have to spend a few days going around dyed a bright colour.

They are illegal on a few grounds, ranging from being an unlicensed event, playing music publicly without the copyright holders consent, through trespass to breach of a few H&S regulations, I suspect.
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 18:51
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Cut the power seems to be a fairly simple solution.....
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 19:05
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They just need to park a few caravans and a horse or two: that'll keep the police away.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/125397...s-coronavirus/
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Yes, there does seem to be an invisible force field around certain non-contributing encampments when it comes to the long arm of the law. It doesn't look good when viewed by the law-abiding populace.

The simple fact is that 'young' people are obligated by their nature to seek reverence with other like minded souls to loud pulsating beats, accompanied by alcohol and relaxants to aid in socialising. As the clubs are all closed (and rightly so) the sensible choice is outside away from "people who just don't get it man", The problems, of course, are noise pollution due to the loud bass tones , traffic issues blocking roads and the wonderful joys of spreading covid-19 to one and all.

I've come to the conclusion that people are either oblivious, blasť or plain stupid. I've seen SO many people in the lasts weeks ignoring mask wearing in various situations where they are obligatory, coming within a metre of me, despite having loads of room to keep safe distance, walking the wrong way in designated one-way walking routes in shops/shopping centres and so on. It will spread further until, as before, people start succumbing in larger numbers and the penny drops.
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"I've seen SO many people in the lasts weeks ignoring mask wearing in various situations where they are obligatory, coming within a metre of me, "
And yet, here you are, still alive and well!
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For the time being!
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Well, I can't speak for the UK, but around here I can peddle Crystal Meth to high school kids and be at less risk of law enforcement action than if I go shopping for groceries without a mask.
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I've got to use the way back machine on myself in this situation and as a yout, I'm pretty sure I would have had no interest in these kind of mindless, painful volume, bass thumping, rowdy get togethers.

Give the army some heavy lift, twin rotor, low, water basket dumping night practice. Noisy for the neighbours, but for not nearly as long.
The music(?) is generally thoroughly crap anyway. Caught a glimpse of the MTV music(?) awards the other night. Couldn't find the music. What has happened to the music?
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 03:03
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Coronavirus: Norway bunker partygoers poisoned by carbon monoxide
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53969564

Police say the "Rave Cave" event, attended by some 200 people, was discovered by chance when a patrol met a group of confused young people.
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"I've seen SO many people in the lasts weeks ignoring mask wearing in various situations where they are obligatory, coming within a metre of me, "
And yet, here you are, still alive and well!
Perhaps that sentence c ame over a tad too precious, but what I meant was IF there are reasonable alternatives in terms of space, then why wouldn't you use it, especially in these times of dangerous virions ? It's a bit like when you park your car in an empty carpark and some clown parks right next to you, despite there being a plethora of spaces elsewhere.

I am still alive and well, long may it continue, but the potential for infection is there, I might well already be infected with no symptoms (never having had a test thus far to confirm or deny), but where necessary I will abide by the rules and regulations for the greater good. Wilfully putting oneself into situations to the contrary, no matter how strong the urge, just means you're part of the problem and not the solution.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 11:27
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Any thoughts on the last bit of my initial posting? On what occasions do the British police actually use tear gas? Is there a police equivalent of Terms of Engagement?
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 12:45
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I would suppose, based on past events, that the UK Police will only use tear-gas and other extreme (by UK standards) deterrents when the disorder has reached a level of going from concerning to combative/destructive with a danger to life and property.
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Coronavirus: Norway bunker partygoers poisoned by carbon monoxide
Yup like the idiot here

https://petapixel.com/2020/03/04/3-k...luencer-party/
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They fined them £10K, it would have been better to have confiscated all the equipment post rave too...
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