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Old 24th Aug 2020, 20:38
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British national anthem should be Jerusalem IMHO.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 21:08
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British national anthem should be Jerusalem IMHO.
Bohemian Rhapsody, no question. Everyone knows the words, even the kids...

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Old 24th Aug 2020, 21:29
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Typical bit of BBC political correctness compromise, they have decided to include orchestral versions of Rule, Britannia! and Land of Hope and Glory at the last night, with no lyrics, so no choir or soloist. Given that part of the fun is the unveiling of the costume of the lead soloist for Rule, Britannia!, this rather makes the whole thing a waste of time and effort..
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 01:39
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Favourite national anthems?

3rd = ) USA, Wales. France
2nd) UK
1st) Germany - whenever I hear it I get an almost irresistible urge to march into other countries.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 02:52
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Only playing the orchestral version is a really bright idea only thought up by those with no imagination. Every word will be sung by the entire audience.

Reminds me of the bandmaster of a military band who addressed the audience with, "The band will now play 'Colonel Bogey'. Will those who know the words please hum."
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:30
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My tuppence-worth:-

Germany's national anthem's tune is by Haydn. Britain's 'Rule Britannia' is by Thomas Arne, both renowned national composers and musicians whose music has stood the test of time, even if in the case of Arne, very little is heard in the concert hall. The melody of Britain's national anthem is attributed to a John Bull, a British composer of the Baroque period or even earlier based on plainsong. This melody has been 'recycled' by other countries ... not least the USA.

Having attended the 1978 Last Night, having taken the milk train from Birmingham and queued overnight - the pavements of SW Ken are hard, and the policeman enjoy making their own music with their batons on metal railings at regular intervals throughout the night - I cannot forget the wonderful music, the warm and family-like atmosphere, and the audience participation in all forms - fancy dress, flags, whistles - and the general prevalent good humour of all, those on the podium and those around it. Since then I have not had the good fortune to attend in person, but have always enjoyed the LNOTP on the TV in whichever country I was in, either live, or as a delayed broadcast. Yes, I have noticed the change in the flags over the recent years, and the encouragement to find diverse political undercurrents initially in the newspapers and more recently in social media. It is truly disappointing that such a 'one-off' event should be hijacked, when it should be a musical celebration -and music does include singing as the voice is also an instrument- of both contemporary and 'historical' pieces.

If what is proposed this year is to become the 'new norm', perhaps it would be time to consign the Proms in their original form to history and moments of happy memories.

But do not forget, ye millennials and 'youf' that the Promenade Concerts were intended to bring music to the masses, to those who did not have a great deal of money, and were perhaps the origin of today's pop concerts in massive venues such as football grounds. And if BAME and BLM principles should be equally applied, what could be inferred reciprocally from the Notting Hill Carnival musical events?
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
Favourite national anthems?

3rd = ) USA, Wales. France
2nd) UK
1st) Germany - whenever I hear it I get an almost irresistible urge to march into other countries.
I'd drop UK down the list, to me it's a dirge, but each to their own. As Wales isn't an "independent nation and a member of the United Nations in it's own right" (credit Richard Osman!) I'm not sure they qualify, but it certainly is rousing!

My list would be:-

3rd. France
2nd. Russia
1st. Germany

Another "non-qualifier" would be Ode to Joy - the EU anthem, not because I'm pro-Europe, but because it's a darn good tune! However the EU isn't a nation.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:35
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Typical bit of BBC political correctness compromise, they have decided to include orchestral versions of Rule, Britannia! and Land of Hope and Glory at the last night, with no lyrics, so no choir or soloist. Given that part of the fun is the unveiling of the costume of the lead soloist for Rule, Britannia!, this rather makes the whole thing a waste of time and effort..
The whole "compromise" by the BBC is really cowardice. They'll be performing in front of, at best, a fraction of "promenaders" due to virus restrictions, that is if there are any in the hall at all. I'd wager that were the Albert Hall full, then soloist or no soloist the words would have been belted out with gusto, and there would have been little the politically correct BBC could have done about it.

I enjoy the second half of the "Last Night" for what it is, but frankly if BBC are going to pander to every minority, woke and snowflake that "takes to social media", frankly I think I just won't bother anymore.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:41
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Just read a descriptive term being applied in yet another round of this seemingly endless stirring up of racial tension by emphasising differences, rather than seeking to embrace all people as equal. It seems that if you are not black, then you are a "melanin deficient person". Words fail me . . .
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:46
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The current programme on the Proms website lists a soprano soloist and the BBC Singers:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e3pd2m
so they could add sung lyrics to any of the pieces, at short notice, if is felt that this is required.

Elgar never intended Pomp and Circumstance No 1 to have words added to it, and the familiar version of Rule Britannia with multiple verses and audience-participation choruses is an arrangement by Malcolm Sargent rather than the Henry Wood (or even Thomas Arne) original.

They usually book the considerably larger BBC Symphony Chorus to join the forces but they aren't able to rehearse at the moment. Given that it will be be a considerably reduced size orchestra and choir performing to an otherwise empty hall it's not going to be anything like the usual event, and I don't think it's intended to be.

I think this is simply a case of the BBC feeding a rumour-mill in order to generate some interest in the broadcast and bump the TV viewing figures.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:00
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I'd drop UK down the list, to me it's a dirge, but each to their own. As Wales isn't an "independent nation and a member of the United Nations in it's own right" (credit Richard Osman!) I'm not sure they qualify, but it certainly is rousing!

My list would be:-

3rd. France
2nd. Russia
1st. Germany

Another "non-qualifier" would be Ode to Joy - the EU anthem, not because I'm pro-Europe, but because it's a darn good tune! However the EU isn't a nation.
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Not really bothered about national anthems, but do agree that UK one is one of the worst ,and I would happily have it replaced with Jerusalem. With regards to the others I quite like the ones at the 6 Nations Scots / Irish / Italian / Welsh/ French. As for the German national anthem its ok but not a favourite but I totally agree with you re Ode to joy.

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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:13
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Can anyone imagine what might be composed as a national anthem today?

I reckon about 90% of the lyrics of most current national anthems would be viewed as being unacceptable by the overly PC/woke generation.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:25
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I think this is simply a case of the BBC feeding a rumour-mill in order to generate some interest in the broadcast and bump the TV viewing figures.
I only wish it was, but looking at the BBC, it's PC-ness and unwillingness to push the boundaries I doubt it.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:26
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Not sure as it would be a minefield as you point out. Maybe an orchestral piece though not sure how you would get any audience participation.

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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:29
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It also seems that the Proms already have enough viewers to push otherwise popular programmes, like Gardener's World, out of their normal scheduled slots, something that only normally happens for popular sporting events. I doubt that the BBC needs to do anything to increase the popularity of the Proms, and certainly not the Last Night, which always seems to be popular, throughout the UK. If anything, it's been growing in popularity over recent years, if the big crowds at the Proms in the Park events are anything to go by.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:40
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One source I have just seen suggests the live event might not be broadcast on telly anyway. There certainly isn't as much music in the published programme as there normally would be to cover the 3+ hour slot with an interval. They don't need to keep a live audience in the RAH awake, so a broadcast could be a mixture of live performance with archive material spliced in to cover stage resets in the hall.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:41
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While I agree that the UK national anthem is rather dirge like somewhat iffy in parts of the full version, in the normal version it does have a great advantage over the rest.

It is short.

No messing. No chance for an orchestral, 12" extended dance mix. No standing around trying to look sincere and patriotic for minutes on end. One verse then job done, crack on with the sporting event, drinking, eating or whatever.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 10:47
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Originally Posted by BirdmanBerry View Post
British national anthem should be Jerusalem IMHO.
Rather insulting to the people of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't you think? Incidentally there is no such thing as the British national anthem. There is, of course, a United Kingdom national anthem.
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