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The death of the National Trust...

Old 22nd Aug 2020, 21:30
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Money given to the National Trust is money given to wealthy landowners, its all a big con
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 22:09
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Never once had an issue scanning our NT trust cards (and other family members cards, before we were members) at a wide variety of sites across the UK.

Nor has it ever took us more than 30 seconds, never mind 'five or ten minutes'
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 23:01
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Warwickshire.

What was nice was that after 17:00 everyone had to go home. We had the place to ourselves, not a sign of staff.








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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 07:44
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Originally Posted by Vat is Jetstream View Post
Correct. the poster that made the statement was talking out of his bottom. Press green, then yellow, scan card and take ticket. Maybe the OP needs to wear their glasses.
Just because our experience, a handful of times now, doesn't align with your own, doesn't mean either of us are wrong, does it? The fact remains that we've repeatedly had problems scanning the card. Anyway, the fact that we can no longer just get out of the car and go walking, but have to now go over to the machine and get ticket means we might as well just bin our membership and pay for parking, as I suspect that, over the course of a year we're paying more via the subscription than we would by paying. The net result would be a drop in NT income, especially if others decide to do the same thing.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 08:13
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I suppose I was a little too optimistic when I thought we were having an adult debate without the otherwise usual internet forum rudeness by and to people who have nothing else in their lives. Please may we try to keep to the debate and leave the name-calling to somewhere else.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 10:26
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As someone with limited vision (with or without glasses),
you post verges on the offensive.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Vat is Jetstream View Post
Grow up! The article is from the Spectator. The biggest shit stirring rag on this planet. Anything its editors or contributors touch turns into a pile of poo. The other media outlets have Daily as a lead word in most cases? May include the Mirror , but I doubt it. I am a National Trust member. Wish I had joined it in my twenties now. I put it off as an RAF NCO pay packet without a full time working wife made the bills not sustainable. When I became an LAE with the girls in the wider world, I realised what I was missing. The National Trust is a living entity. It is a business. It needs to make money. Estates given to it are done for a reason by the previous owners. They cannot afford to sustain the estates as they had not planned to in death or had no heirs. They get a great deal of free accomodation or deals with the NT covering. One finds that out from the non paid volunteers. One that actuaclly talks to the volunteers is someone like myself. I ask the questions on the history of the place I am standing. The people that I talk to have learned the history of the place they are standing. They are not professors or gravey train inteliects. They are people living with the knowledge of where they are. I love to push them to the limits of their knowledge (despite my wife!) The National Trust is a business. So is English heritage. A business needs money to survive. NT and EH have been battered by the lockdown. So have I. have I chopped my NT membership? No! Last thing going. If you support this country, the National Trust membership keeps going! Bin anything? Bin the Tory card.
Grow up yourself.
a) The same leaks have been written up on pretty much every media outlet out there over the last few days.
b) Try reaing the thread, you might notice that others have noticed that changes are already happening...
PS. Your computer should have a key marked 'return'. It's for making things called paragraphs, and it'll make your drivel much easier to read...
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 10:33
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Originally Posted by esa-aardvark View Post
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As someone with limited vision (with or without glasses),
you post verges on the offensive.
So you post when you're almost offended? Why not wait until you're actually offended and save some bandwidth?
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 13:26
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That's funny. However, the close proximity of Vat is Jetstream is a little worrying.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 13:33
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
That's funny. However, the close proximity of Vat is Jetstream is a little worrying.
I think he's KnC in disguise - I claim my £5...
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 17:02
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KnC might have been a bit of a Trot, but was logical with it.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 17:28
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KnC might have been a bit of a Trot, but was logical with it.

Indeed he was, and I tended to agree with some of the points he made, it was only the constant personal attacks against the same few people that got damned tiresome after a while.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 00:12
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I decided not to renew my family membership about four years ago after they demanded a £5 “entry fee” for my disabled 91 year old mother in law to sit in our car and read a newspaper five metres alongside a public highway while my wife took her usual twenty minute walk with the family dog. I wrote a letter of complaint about that but they were unrepentant. That £5 cost them about a hundred times that so far in lost membership.

They had changed the rules so that they wanted payment for each occupant of the car, rather than for the vehicle. That was the final straw. I’d previously been ripped off when I realised too late that to them, the term “gift aid” means being charged extra over their usual entry fee rather than them just claiming the tax back from HMRC. Normally, signing the form to state that you are a tax payer costs the signer nothing extra; it’s just a way for them to claim a tax refund.

At another NT location where you don’t have much option other than drive to, a membership card didn’t Include car parking.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 05:28
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I decided not to renew my family membership about four years ago after they demanded a £5 “entry fee” for my disabled 91 year old mother in law to sit in our car and read a newspaper five metres alongside a public highway while my wife took her usual twenty minute walk with the family dog. I wrote a letter of complaint about that but they were unrepentant. That £5 cost them about a hundred times that so far in lost membership.

They had changed the rules so that they wanted payment for each occupant of the car, rather than for the vehicle. That was the final straw. I’d previously been ripped off when I realised too late that to them, the term “gift aid” means being charged extra over their usual entry fee rather than them just claiming the tax back from HMRC. Normally, signing the form to state that you are a tax payer costs the signer nothing extra; it’s just a way for them to claim a tax refund.

At another NT location where you don’t have much option other than drive to, a membership card didn’t Include car parking.

Sorry to hear that -
One can put the individual who is disabled down as a member (also with the the senior persons members discount) then ask NT for the Carers Card (now called The Essential Companion card)

Discounted and free entry

Essential Companion card
The Essential Companion card makes it simple to bring one or two carers or companions with you, free of charge. Just show the card when you arrive, and your carer(s) or companion(s) won’t need to pay an entry fee.It’s in your name so you can bring whomever you like, but even if you don’t have an Essential Companion card, you can still bring carers or companions free – the card just makes it quicker and simpler for you.
If you’re not a National Trust member, you will still need to pay for your own entry.

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Old 24th Aug 2020, 08:17
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
I’d previously been ripped off when I realised too late that to them, the term “gift aid” means being charged extra over their usual entry fee rather than them just claiming the tax back from HMRC. Normally, signing the form to state that you are a tax payer costs the signer nothing extra; it’s just a way for them to claim a tax refund..
The extra charge for gift aid is not an NT idea. It is quite common with charitable organisations where the basic fee covers a benefit (in this case admission to the NT sites). For some reason the authorities came up with the idea that the charity charges 10% extra and then the whole 110% counts towards Gift Aid.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 09:30
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I volunteer (or did, still waiting for the post Covid landscape) at a large NT property in the Midlands, on visitor reception. I was uncomfortable with the extra charge to generate Gift Aid and queried it and AL is correct. I still find it slightly strange.

Car parking I can’t comment on - we don’t charge for parking.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 11:08
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Originally Posted by Vat is Jetstream View Post
A). Right wing newspapers that spread bull to scared old aged pensioners.

B). The National Trust has to evolve and be dynamic. Any organisation that does not does do so will wither and die. The other people that are writing to reinforce your arguement are retired, like you. Same views, set in the last century. I was 34 years old when that century passed (and I was on the guard force of a RAF station that night, so i wasn't enjoying it, then again neither was the Queen that night). I feel for all the staff that will be losing their jobs, friends of mine included. I do not see a dumbing down of anything when i visit a National trust property. Not at all! I just read the same writings of people that have the same views on any other matter, based on subjective journalist reporting. Question for anyone? What is the link between Kingston Lacey and the Civil War?

Have a nice day. Some of us may still have hopefully a job to return to when people realise a mask is not just for Christmas.
Well I'm not retired, so that sinks that stupid comment.

The National Trust has to evolve and be dynamic. Any organisation that does not does do so will wither and die.
It will, so will an organisation that alienates all of it's members who don't agree with the changes that are taking place and withdraw their financial support...

The RNLI has found out to its cost what happens when they alienated large tracts of their membership with a stupid fracas over a mug.
It cost them dearly...



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Old 24th Aug 2020, 13:03
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It will, so will an organisation that alienates all of it's members who don't agree with the changes that are taking place and withdraw their financial support...

The RNLI has found out to its cost what happens when they alienated large tracts of their membership with a stupid fracas over a mug.
It cost them dearly...
Precisely so..... but I doubt those at fault would ever admit it; to save face there are always other reasons to find to blame for a reduction of support.

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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:20
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I volunteer (or did, still waiting for the post Covid landscape) at a large NT property in the Midlands, on visitor reception. I was uncomfortable with the extra charge to generate Gift Aid and queried it and AL is correct. I still find it slightly strange.
Explained here - HMRC: What donations charities can claim on.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 15:05
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If any where wants more than the non gift aid charge, I declined to pay that way. I'm not currently a UK tax payer and I'm not going anywhere in the near future, so it's academic at the moment.
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