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Old 12th Aug 2020, 12:48
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Train Accident Scotland Aug 2020

Can I ask if one of the forum locals please keep us updated

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...Xaz?li=BBnb7Kz
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Old 12th Aug 2020, 13:10
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Torrential rains in the area last night due to thunderstorms, lots of evacuation of caravan parks in flash floods etc.

Area of the derailment is SW of Stonehaven in a cutting with a long embankment at Carmont (56.9555832N, 2.3148852W)

Presumption is there was a land slip and the train rolled down the embankment. 4 carriage Scotsrail early morning train from Aberdeen to Edinburgh. Two currently reported as dead, including the driver. Others reported with serious injuries but no numbers.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...ears-two-dead/

It's believed the train stopped south of Carmont due to a landslide, but then hit a second one when travelling back north.

Total of 12 on board, 6 crew and 6 passengers.

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Three people declared dead at the scene including the driver,; 6 so far taken to hospital with injuries, not believed to be dangerous.
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So the BBC report at one stage said that the 'RAIB from Farnborough' …….usual BBC idiocy, as usual, they just didn't check their facts! RAIB is headquartered in Derby and they confuse it with the AAIB!

And what the hell is the point of ministers and politicians rushing off to the scene? they have no technical knowledge, will just get in the way and all so they can make themselves look bigger useless dickheads than usual! I doubt even the ORR will add anything to the RAIB/railtrack investigation...
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And what the hell is the point of ministers and politicians rushing off to the scene?
To be fair to them radeng if they don’t rush to the scene they get criticised for not caring. A recent story about Her Majesty states she elected not to travel to Aberfan in the aftermath of the disaster for fear of distracting the rescue workers from their search. It further claims it is a decision she regrets to this day.
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The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh visited Aberfan on the 29th October, 8 days after the collapse of the tip.
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I still do not see what the presence of politicians really does to help the immediate situation.....Or just what the hell the BTP can do other thane delay the collection of evidence.... On has only to look at some of the RAIB Accident reports top see where all BTP has done is to delay re-opening...
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So the BBC report at one stage said that the 'RAIB from Farnborough' …….usual BBC idiocy, as usual, they just didn't check their facts! RAIB is headquartered in Derby and they confuse it with the AAIB!

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To be fair RAIB have offices at Farnborough as well (I nearly applied for a job there). The standard of reporting has been pretty woeful in the media.
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The standard of reporting has been pretty woeful in the media.
As appears to be normal for anything these days.

Reports vary as to how many carriages made up this set, mentions 2 locomotives but doesn't consider if a Driving Van Trailer was attached and was initially unclear as to the direction of travel. Looking at the damage this was a derailment at more than a few miles an hour.
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My biggest concern, and I am sure it will be a major concern of the RAIB, is what caused and sustained the fire. I think it would have been a Diesel train, don't think that line was Electrified, and with the wet weather damping down lineside vegetation, what started and sustained the blaze? plus another vote for speed when landslip caused the alleged turnback so further 'slips must have been a higher risk.
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The pictures show a 4 carriages with hst power car Probably an ex GRW hst which has been refurbished and shortened.
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That assumption seems correct, several ex GWR HST sets were rebuilt over the last couple of years as 2+4s (4 Passenger coaches bracketed by two Class43 power cars) for Scotrail intercity services. The rebuilding took a lot longer than anticipated, and older HSTs with swing doors were used for a while. The accident unit is one of the new rebuilds, so as well as the personal tragedy, and the RAIB enquiry, there will be an operating shortage of stock for a while, although low passenger numbers resulting from the pandemic will smooth that out a bit.
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I'm a little mystified as to why the 06.38 crashed at about 09.40 having only travelled some 30-40 miles. Must have been seriously delayed by the first landslip; then perhaps there was an urge to make up time.

Will appreciate being corrected if I am mistaken.
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Network Rail has reviewed CCTV footage from the stations at which the service stopped and it’s believed there were nine people, including crew, on the train.

A spokesperson for the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service said: “Following the incident at Stonehaven yesterday, the Lord Advocate has instructed a joint investigation by Police Scotland, British Transport Police and the Office of Rail and Road. The investigation will be carried out under the direction of the Crown Office & Procurator Fiscal Service.”

This investigation is in parallel to the independent safety investigation by the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB).”
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That assumption seems correct, several ex GWR HST sets were rebuilt over the last couple of years as 2+4s (4 Passenger coaches bracketed by two Class43 power cars) for Scotrail intercity services.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45800463

Rail operator ScotRail said the first of the 26 newly-refurbished Inter7City trains would run from Aberdeen to Edinburgh via Dundee from Monday......

The trains will be in sets made up of two Class 43 power cars, one at each end of four or five Mark 3 carriages...


Overall, 17 upgraded five-carriage trains and nine four-carriage trains are scheduled to be used on lines across Scotland by late 2019.
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Originally Posted by Dave Gittins View Post
I'm a little mystified as to why the 06.38 crashed at about 09.40 having only travelled some 30-40 miles. Must have been seriously delayed by the first landslip; then perhaps there was an urge to make up time.

Will appreciate being corrected if I am mistaken.
From what's been reported, the train stopped part way, reported that one of the two lines was subject to some water run off and requested a switch to the other line. The train then backed up, switched to the other line, and continued. The accident seems to have happened after this line switch, although it's quite likely that the reports aren't accurate.
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One report suggested there had been a delay before anyone realised there had been an accident. I've no idea if this was/could have been correct.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 14:48
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One report suggested there had been a delay before anyone realised there had been an accident. I've no idea if this was/could have been correct.
Seems reasonably true

The accident site looks mostly out of sight and the delay might have been in response to instantaneous signals that the train hadn't yet passed
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