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Old 6th Jul 2020, 07:38
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Traineeships seem to be the big new idea for getting young people into work. Since a junior member of the Shotone family is in this position Iíve been examining the scheme carefully-and canít see any upside whatever. The traineeships are, with no exceptions Iíve seen for unskilled or low skilled positions; shelf filling, warehouse picking. All thatís brought to the table by being a ďtraineeĒ is the privilege of performing these duties for no pay. Am I missing something?
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 08:02
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No, not really. The only thing which could be argued is beneficial, is the dubious experience of being in a work environment, with targets and deadlines to meet, and being on the receiving end of mushroom management.
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Oh, that kind of ship. Carry on.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 09:22
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Traineeships for the unskilled, apprenticeships for the skilled, further education for those that want that instead.

It’s an additional scheme intended to ensure the unskilled are not left behind.


Boris Johnson pledges apprenticeship to every young person
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 11:09
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I knew they'd resurrect it!
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 11:24
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I knew they'd resurrect it!
I had the dubious privilege of "managing" a few YTS people. Out of the three we had, over a two year period, one was just a scally who was only on the YTS scheme, as he made very clear all the time, because he couldn't get benefits. One was a nice enough lad, but so dim that I think stacking shelves may have been beyond him - I suspect that his teachers had just given up on him, TBH. The third was a very capable lad, went on to college (day release), was taken on in a full time post and then did a sandwich course degree.

Not sure than a 1 in 3 success rate is anything to be proud of, though. I was left with the feeling that YTS was a cop out for not having provided an adequate level of basic education in the first place, and expecting employers to take on that task.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 14:34
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In the UK construction industry we suffered the YTS Bricklayers and plasterers all trained in 4-5 months and told they were "qualified". As a recipient of this highly "skilled workforce" I used to wonder "skilled" in what, as definitely was not the aforementioned skills. For those not aware a training of 3-4 years was the old guide before being able to label yourself with those named trades.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 18:02
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Local garage was on a TV programme, a trainee had been with them for the duration of the scheme, they praised the trainee but either couldn't or wouldn't keep them on at the end in favour of getting another to start again for peanuts.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 22:54
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Traineeships for the unskilled apprenticeships for the skilled?? No, surely the point of both is to equip young people with the skills needed by industry and society? The issue is that, with no exceptions Iíve seen, thereís no element of training. Traineeship translates to menial work with minimal prospects, just for no money. Even the most enthusiastic youngster is likely to feel bitter resentment at being subject to such a blatant rip off. And how many more will come to agree with VPís scally, confirmed now in his belief that work is a total mugs game?

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Old 7th Jul 2020, 06:12
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I had two lots of two lads on the YTS scheme. I would have taken all of them on if I'd had vacancies at the end of their time.
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We need to change the received wisdom in business management that everything boils down to the bottom line. It doesn’t. A business that can only survive with slave labour (BooHoo), or whose employees need benefits to top up their wages, doesn’t have a business - the numbers don’t stack up. Yet still we have governments throwing money around so that these zombie businesses carry on and the only people who make decent money are the owners/ managers, many of whom are overseas. A new definition of “ sustainable” to encompass financial stability, as well as greenwash, that used to be provided by family business with an interest in providing for future generations (employment as well as money) of owners and workers.
Short termism is winning and most of us are losing......
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 07:53
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The business model where companies make zero investment in their staff has been around a fair time though. I have direct experience of managing an establishment for a few years that was mainly run by Serco and FR. Neither gave a monkeys about their employees, they both relied almost entirely on recruiting ex-service people who already had all the skills they needed, and there was always a ready pool of people available, due to downsizing in all three services. In effect, the government was picking up the tab for providing them with skilled staff, and the government was paying them to continue to use those skilled staff to perform government work.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 08:00
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At least the arrangement is formalised; that counts for a lot, for both parties involved.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 14:35
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How does the fact of it being formalised make unpaid menial work without training or prospects any less unattractive?
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 15:16
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If I understand correctly, the government is also paying employers to take them on. Just another excuse to throw cash at already rich businessmen and women.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 16:13
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BA hire a lot of poorly educated Interns.

They write the Customer Service letters.

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Old 7th Jul 2020, 19:02
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Here in the States they're called internships. My daughter, while in college pursuing a degree in historical preservation, interned for a summer at the National Air and Space Museum at the Smithsonian and did real preservation work under supervision. She actually handled (with gloves on) Neil Armstrong's moon suit. The internship was truly a wonderful learning experience for her. She completed an MS degree and is gainfully employed in her chosen profession.

On the other hand I also hear stories about the unpaid labor.......
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 19:37
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No, winemaker not the same at all: we are talking warehouse picking, cleaning toilets and stacking shelves. Not handling Armstrongís space suit. If it was a positive learning experience Iíd have no objection.
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Back in the 1960's there was the Engineering Industries Training Board, which every engineering company of more than a certain size paid a levy too. By going in for training, they could get a rebate...Marconi's in September 1964 took on some 70 students - 50 of them to be trained as technicians with the educational progression to Chartered Engineer if they worked and 20 to be Test Technicians. The first year was full time at Colchester Technical college and they were paid £250 a year for the first year. With paid holiday and employer's National Insurance. Pass the 1st years ONC and the City and Guilds and you got £350 for the second year plus day release and text books and exam fees paid if you passed.....

That was an apprenticeship! The strange thing was that at the end of the apprenticeship, you were encouraged to work for another company to broaden your experience, the hope being that you would go back to Marconi's...Of course, in those days, the UK had a thriving electronics industry.....BT were just as good and a similar scheme applied across all English Electric, as Marconi's then was..

Where did we go wrong on training the work force we need?
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 07:18
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Government to pay young people’s wages for six months as Rishi Sunak unveils coronavirus ‘Plan for Jobs’
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