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Hong Kong -- What does the future hold?

Old 23rd Oct 2020, 15:09
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
We can always train up the immigrants arriving in record numbers in Kent. I'm sure they will be glad to have jobs in the building trade.
In regards to migrants. Iím not sure how anyone can be surprised. Once Brexit went through the french were saying ďgreat thatís that issue solved thenĒ the migrants want to come to the U.K. the french donít have to stop them and they arenít the EUís problem anymore they are ours.

If they have got rid of any documents they may have had its neigh on impossible to remove them as you canít prove which country they belong to. You also have no right to send them back to the first EU country they arrived into as we arenít part of it anymore
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 15:24
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
In regards to migrants. Iím not sure how anyone can be surprised. Once Brexit went through the french were saying ďgreat thatís that issue solved thenĒ the migrants want to come to the U.K. the french donít have to stop them and they arenít the EUís problem anymore they are ours.

If they have got rid of any documents they may have had its neigh on impossible to remove them as you canít prove which country they belong to. You also have no right to send them back to the first EU country they arrived into as we arenít part of it anymore
Have you ever thought of building a wall and charge the french for it?
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 15:40
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Have you ever thought of building a wall and charge the french for it?
Not enough bricklayers in the UK to do it
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Old 23rd Oct 2020, 16:16
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Oh tsk ! I do wish some of you keep up with the news. The UK has no shortage of construction workers !........cos the new Gov't website says so when you are looking for a new job, log on, and get some helpful suggestions to start your new career !
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 07:32
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-kong-citizens

Britain launches visa scheme for Hong Kong citizens

Millions of Hongkongers will be able to begin applying to live and work in the UK when a historic immigration scheme for British National Overseas citizens finally opens its doors on Sunday.....

The UK has said it was unclear how many BNO holders would make use of the scheme due to Covid-19. Applications for the visas open on Sunday followed by a digital version via smartphone app on 23 February.

The Home Office estimates, however, that between 123,000 and 153,700 Hongkongers and their families will use the scheme the first year and up to 322,400 over the next five years.....
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 07:52
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...The Home Office estimates, however, that between 123,000 and 153,700 Hongkongers and their families will use the scheme the first year and up to 322,400 over the next five years.....
The BBC news page has a slightly wider estimate

"But the government published an impact assessment putting the number between 9,000 and 1,048,100."
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 09:04
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Someone mentioned using BNOs to get a visa to go to the UK and eventually get permanent residency there. Not sure if this method of emigrating to the UK still works though because China just announced that they will stop recognizing BNO passports. (At least 10 posts are required to post links so sorry please search it up.) Not sure how does this move affects BNO holders exactly, though.
Some more people may have mentioned this since I wrote this as getting posts approved takes a while.
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 11:53
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-kong-citizens

Hong Kong: China will no longer recognise British national overseas citizens

China has announced it will no longer recognise the passports of British national overseas citizens just hours after the UK launched its scheme to give passport holders a path to residency as political freedoms decline in Hong Kong.

ďFrom 31 January, China will no longer recognise the so-called BNO passport as a travel document and ID document, and reserves the right to take further actions,Ē the foreign ministry spokesperson, Zhao Lijian, told reporters, according to AFP.

It was still unclear whether or not the decision would affect the possibly tens of thousands of people who had been planning to leave Hong Kong since the scheme was announced last summer in response to national security legislation.

Hong Kong citizens and foreign residents are not required to show a passport when they depart Hong Kong international airport, instead using a smartcard ID.

Hong Kongís web of nationalities may further complicate the matter as not all Hong Kong citizens hold Chinese passports, although all Hongkongers with historic familial ties to the mainland are considered Chinese citizens by Beijing.

Hundreds of thousands of people, chief among them 300,000 Canadians and 100,000 Australians, are also dual citizens in addition to the cityís nearly 3 million BNO citizens.....
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Oh tsk ! I do wish some of you keep up with the news. The UK has no shortage of construction workers !........cos the new Gov't website says so when you are looking for a new job, log on, and get some helpful suggestions to start your new career !
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From the last 3 weeks trawling around the UK looking at Construction projects I can tell you there are shortages of labour on all the sites I have visited combined with delays in materials from both EU and further afield combined with some very stiff price rises. A lo of unhappy contractors and indeed clients. Back to the rest of the world next week for me assuming Priti does not pull up the draw bridge.

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Old 29th Jan 2021, 18:11
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I was under the impression that the "First country of landing" agreement is a UN or world wide agreement rather than an EU policy. If so then it would not be affected by Brexit except the French disregard the rules anyway and are looking for any nit picking way they can inconvenience the UK.
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 22:09
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Simple solution, apply for whatever travel document the Chinese government will issue to Hong Kong residents. Leave Hong Kong on this document, arrive in UK and show BNO passport. Problem solved.
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Old 29th Jan 2021, 22:47
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
Simple solution, apply for whatever travel document the Chinese government will issue to Hong Kong residents. Leave Hong Kong on this document, arrive in UK and show BNO passport. Problem solved.
That was precisely my thought. I suppose the fly in the ointment might be if China decides to confiscate all BNO passports.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 06:05
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China does not recognise dual nationality. Thry could declare an application for a BNO passport/visa a renunciation of Chinese nationality with the loss to the holder of all rights to voting, health, education etc and treatment as a foreign national.

For many in Hong Kong the BNO has been like an insurance policy, for use in emergencies - the same reason many have had children educated and gain residency in Australia, Canada, USA etc - so they a chance to get the family out if the time came.

Just not sure how many, if presented with the decision of having to give up their Chinese citizenship at short notice would do so - and how many would get their children to do so as and move to the UK as yet more insurance.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 06:22
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That was precisely my thought. I suppose the fly in the ointment might be if China decides to confiscate all BNO passports.
There is another problem in addition to the possibility of this, as CCP said that they will not recognize BNO as neither a travel document nor an identification document. This means that the BNO cannot be used to exit HK.
My guess is that BNO holders will be considered stateless assuming they don't have any other passport other than HKSAR/BNO (their HK passport would be invalid as their Chinese citizenship is considered renounced). So this is basically forcing the UK to give citizenships directly, I guess...

Note: Dual citizenship is widely considered to be de facto legal, with a bunch of people holding another passport in addition to the HKG one, until this came.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 06:37
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Sleepsleep,

As mentioned previously, departing travellers are not required to show a passport when they depart Hong Kong international airport, presenting their ID card sufficing. Airline staff will check independently for valid entry documents when boarding - but that’s under the destination country’s rules.

Doesnt prevent the Hong Kong government changing that rule of course. But would they want to keep those intent on leaving? It’s not as if they are short of people.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 07:52
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They say the BNO passport has nothing to do with it, you only have to be eligible for BNO status and you'd use your normal passport to travel outbound.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 10:39
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Sleepsleep,

As mentioned previously, departing travellers are not required to show a passport when they depart Hong Kong international airport, presenting their ID card sufficing. Airline staff will check independently for valid entry documents when boarding - but thatís under the destination countryís rules.

Doesnt prevent the Hong Kong government changing that rule of course. But would they want to keep those intent on leaving? Itís not as if they are short of people.
You have a point. I am just somewhat worried as dictatorships like China are known for being unpredictable and will basically do whatever it takes to achieve its aims. We don't know if preventing dissenters even the mildest ones from leaving is one of them.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Sleepsleep View Post
There is another problem in addition to the possibility of this, as CCP said that they will not recognize BNO as neither a travel document nor an identification document. This means that the BNO cannot be used to exit HK.
My guess is that BNO holders will be considered stateless assuming they don't have any other passport other than HKSAR/BNO (their HK passport would be invalid as their Chinese citizenship is considered renounced). So this is basically forcing the UK to give citizenships directly, I guess...

Note: Dual citizenship is widely considered to be de facto legal, with a bunch of people holding another passport in addition to the HKG one, until this came.
Thats not the way I see it. Pretty much all these people will have been born in Hong Kong and have a Hong Kong passport. Some may also have a BNO passport, while others are eligible to get one but never have.

itís pretty easy to leave as nobody checks passport on leaving Hong Kong. Even if this was to change they could just depart on their Hong Kong passport and use their BNO passport on arrival. They arenít taking away their Hong Kong/Chinese nationality. They are just not recognising the BNO passport which is only a minor nuisance at best.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 16:34
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This link gives a good summary of the actual BNO passport position and history for those interested:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit...seas)_passport
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 06:47
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...zens-72t0vp8w0

Hong Kong agonises over exile as furious China prepares to turn screws on dual citizens

....To go or not go has surged among topics for those entitled to a BNO — British National (Overseas) — passport under the scheme, which was brought in after the imposition of a draconian new national security law last July. It potentially gives the right of abode in Britain to some five million of the 7.5 million people who live in what is technically a special administrative region of China.

A chance encounter on the former colony’s MTR subway system last week brought home both the anxiety that is prompting many to think of leaving and the difficulty of doing so. A man in his sixties asked me whether I was planning to leave because of an intensifying crackdown.

“What about you?” I asked. He shrugged and said: “I’m too old, even though I want to go,” and explained that most of his family had already left for Canada. He would like to go to Britain: “But I don’t know anyone there. How would I find work? It’s all too complicated.”

The scheme has drawn a furious response from Beijing, which said it would not recognise the BNO passport and threatened “further action” as retaliation for a “blatant interference” in China’s internal affairs.....

The shape of “further action” is slowly becoming evident as Beijing’s most influential cheerleaders in Hong Kong suggest ways to make life difficult for BNO passport holders. Leung Chun-ying, the hardline former chief executive, said they should be stripped of their Chinese citizenship, which would end the right of abode in Hong Kong.

Another proposal suggests that China will move to bar anyone with a BNO passport from holding public office. Regina Ip, a member of the current chief executive’s cabinet, is pressing for a deadline to end the right of dual citizenship.

It is hard to overstate the ramifications of moves like this because, with few exceptions, the families of Hong Kong’s elite hold foreign passports. This includes Carrie Lam, the chief executive, whose husband and two sons are British nationals.

In recent months arrests of opposition figures have been stepped up, newspaper offices have been raided and there has been intense pressure on schools to purge them of dissident views.

An employee of a big media outlet said: “We are all halfway out of the door. No one really wants to go but ... we are all shit-scared.”......
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