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Old 29th Jun 2020, 15:23
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Lt Col Myron Harrington refers to Hue. Another similar quote refers to Ben Tre - a province rather than a village. Perhaps I should get out more.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 15:35
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Nothing new here. The National Trust is intent on ruining the countryside by building roads and allowing 4x 4s in order to attract more ethnic minorities to, what they see, are almost white-only amenities
Speaks volumes of your racist view that you imply the developement planned is merely to facilitate ethnic minorities when it's quite clear that the article mentions multiple reasons

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Old 29th Jun 2020, 18:28
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Africans are totally disinterested in the amazing wild life that surrounds them, unless they can either kill it and eat it - or earn money otherwise by manipulating non-African tourists to support them. You need to live in Africa for a while to realise their total indifference to animal suffering (or even the suffering of other Africans) to understand their utter selfishness.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 20:20
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What on earth has Africa to do with the Lake District?
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 20:32
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
What on earth has Africa to do with the Lake District?
Nothing really, but ORAC found a tenuous link to race in an article about countryside developement and as it fitted her racist views she presented it as a focus, then another racist turns up to join the party
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 21:11
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No wonder my NT membership goes up every yesr: it's got to pay for Africa as well.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 06:34
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Lt Col Myron Harrington refers to Hue. Another similar quote refers to Ben Tre - a province rather than a village
Bến Tre city is the capital of Bến Tre province, though during my time (1970) the province was called Kiến Hòa, was stationed just over the river at Dong Tam.
This is by far the most familiar quotation to emerge from the Vietnam War. These few words seemed to capture perfectly the absurd futility of America’s presence in Vietnam. They were originally reported by Peter Arnett of the Associated Press, who quoted an unidentified American officer on why the village of Ben Tre was leveled during the Tet Offensive in early 1968: “It became necessary to destroy the town in order to save it.” A two-paragraph version of the AP dispatch was buried on page 14 of The New York Times 8th February 1968, with no byline. Other newspaper substituted the word “village” for “town.” Due to Peter Arnett’s solid reputation as a reporter, this quotation was not questioned at the time. Eventually, however, doubts were expressed about its authenticity. For one thing, Ben Tre was not a town but a provincial capital of fifty thousand. For another, although heavily damaged by fighting, Ben Tre was not leveled. Only a handful of American soldiers took part in combat there. Their senior officer, army major Phil Cannella, later recalled telling Arnett that it was unfortunate that some of Ben Tre was destroyed in the course of its defense. Cannella thought he might have said at most, “It was a shame the town was destroyed.” Cannella, who later turned against the war, believes Arnett may have embellished this comment by him. Arnett himself has steadfastly refused to identify the source of this famous quotation. He did tell writer Peter Braestrup it was one of four officers he’d interviewed on that day in 1968. As Braestrup pointed out in his book Big Story, the day before Arnett’s story ran, columnist James Reston wrote in his New York Times column, “How do we win by military force without destroying what we are trying to save?” Reston’s column concluded, “How will we save Vietnam if we destroy it in a battle?” Verdict: A quotation this seminal needs better confirmation. (The Quote Verifier by Ralph Keyes, New York: St. Martin’s Griffin, 2006, pp. 43-44)
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 07:00
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“A tenuous link” and an allegation of racism by someone so brave they create a new persona to make it?

My post was not tenuous, it was entirely related to that if that of the thread originator - because the Countryfile report was based directly on previous surveys and articles, including that of the National Trust.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...le-countryside
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Trim Stab View Post
Africans are totally disinterested in the amazing wild life that surrounds them, unless they can either kill it and eat it - or earn money otherwise by manipulating non-African tourists to support them. You need to live in Africa for a while to realise their total indifference to animal suffering (or even the suffering of other Africans) to understand their utter selfishness.
What a total ********.


I am really depressed by a lot of these threads and generally stay away, they consistently show a failure to grasp the issues. Some posts, like this one and the OP on this thread (which incredibly starts with the joke 'some of my best friends are black'!) are difficult to avoid.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:29
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I think the point being raised is that there is little concept on the ground in much of Africa of a greater good. For example when I lived there, and indeed when I am back on business, people are surprised when in discussions that Mrs Mac and I pay for health care when we are not sick,and have private health cover through our companies, and that we pay for education for others, when not having any children. The concept of the amount of tax we pay boggles minds, as their view generally is that you pay for things at the point of need, and that what passes for the greater good, by paying for others is wasted. Also bare in mind the amount of corruption in most every African state, then they would probably watch the tax money disappear to Zurich. Also you could also use this analogy to most 3rd world countries to some degree. I do agree with you though how some posts on here are quite casually racist in sentiment, maybe not always by design, but sometimes through lack of understanding.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:43
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
What a total ********.


I am really depressed by a lot of these threads and generally stay away, they consistently show a failure to grasp the issues. Some posts, like this one and the OP on this thread (which incredibly starts with the joke 'some of my best friends are black'!) are difficult to avoid.
Please tell us what issues the poster has failed to grasp? Are you excusing the behavior of those Africans that Trim Stab has described because of their impoverished lives?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:56
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The countryside, especially the owned by the National Trust and other public bodies, are a public good. Public goods, being generally free (or subsidised as visiting stately homes) can be abused or degraded and must be protected.

Efforts must be made to make them available to all, the fear being that attempts to do the latter will inevitably lead to the former.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good_(economics)
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:20
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OMG! I can’t believe visiting the countryside is now a racist issue!

There is nothing to stop anyone in the uk visiting open spaces. If you’ve got enough money to spend on a street party, you’ve got enough to get to green spaces - if you want to.

Isn't it just possible, that maybe the majority of the groups referred to, aren’t actually that bothered? You could argue that very generally young white people aren’t that bothered about visiting the countryside either. They want more action and entertainment. It’s more often an older, more settled demographic that gravitates to the great outdoors.

Contrary to some people’s perceptions, there isn’t someone standing at the ‘entrance to rural England’ turning away those who are not a whiter shade of pale.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:32
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OMG! I can’t believe visiting the countryside is now a racist issue!

There is nothing to stop anyone in the uk visiting open spaces. If you’ve got enough money to spend on a street party, you’ve got enough to get to green spaces - if you want to.

Isn't it just possible, that maybe the majority of the groups referred to, aren’t actually that bothered? You could argue that very generally young white people aren’t that bothered about visiting the countryside either. They want more action and entertainment. It’s more often an older, more settled demographic that gravitates to the great outdoors.

Contrary to some people’s perceptions, there isn’t someone standing at the ‘entrance to rural England’ turning away those who are not a whiter shade of pale.
Pretty much anything that shows any perceived difference between one group of people and another is at risk of being labelled racism.

The big risk here is that there seems to be a very real problem in distinguishing between bias because of race (and there's a whole can of worms in just categorising "race") and any natural preference one group of people may have. For example, by default, I always tend to search the web, eBay or whatever with a "UK only" setting. This has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with trying to filter out irrelevant stuff from thousands of miles away. I doubt that it will be long before the ability to do a country-specific search on the web will be labelled racist . . .
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