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Old 10th Jun 2020, 06:43
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No doubt Children in the UK will have been affected by the long lay off from School, the standards of education were already in decline and this will have made matters worse.
The plans now of either returning for a very short term or not at all before the long summer break will be storing up a massive problem for the months and years ahead.

If you have experience of the levels of deprivation in some areas where there is already a high percentage of more or less feral children ready to form the next underclass, then its not hard to imagine how much worse it might get.
Many of these children will never go back to school

The summer break should in my opinion be forgotton this year, rather children should be allowed back when indications are that its safe to do so and if that coincides with what would have been the summer break then so be it.

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But Israel is having second thoughts after re-opening schools (today's Torygraph)
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Teachers will be up in arms missing out on their summer holidays!!
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I find it amusing that, with half the workforce of the UK working from home, teachers are assumed to be doing fcuk all. The government used the same bs mantra, 'Let's get schools back', ignoring any points raised about it. Then, when they realised they'd screwed it, they issue a one-line change of heart. Ppruners attended school = they know everything about schools.

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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
I find it amusing that, with half the workforce of the UK working from home, teachers are assumed to be doing fcuk all. The government used the same bs mantra, 'Let's get schools back', ignoring any points raised about it. Then, when they realised they'd screwed it, they issue a one-line change of heart. Ppruners attended school = they know everything about schools.

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Old 10th Jun 2020, 13:29
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Interestingly, the schools near us have remained open throughout the Easter break to cater for the children of key workers, and for the vulnerable children. Staffed by teachers, of course.
I think at least one issue with keeping schools open during July/August is likely to be that the millions of parents of said children may also have holidays booked/paid for (which they may well be able to take with the lockdown easing). I can't see them being all that happy losing their holiday and their money because their children unexpectedly need to be at school during a period which would normally be a holiday.
Particularly as we've all been coping with lockdown and everything's been pretty horrible for months.
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Well a little clique of JetBlasters these days certainly know how to bull$hit to promote their own opinions, thats for sure.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 09:11
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The summer break should in my opinion be forgotton this year, rather children should be allowed back when indications are that its safe to do so and if that coincides with what would have been the summer break then so be it.
That's a bit harsh for many reasons, BUT the 6-8 week summer break should be much shorter this year to allow kids to catch up on their edumacation and allow their parents to go back to work (assuming that they have a job and it's safe to do so). It seems like madness to carry on as normal in this all but abnormal time. For most people the summer 'holidays' will effectively mean staying at, or close to home for the most part. Perhaps foreign holidays will be permissible, but at this point in time that's somewhat optimistic.
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Let's be honest. Truanting and exclusion in the past have meant that more pupils have 'relinquished' their education than we might include in our current presumptions, hypotheses and statistics. There will always be a 'separate class' ... oh how ironic this phrase sounds when I didn't intend to imply inferiority in social status nor a pun on the word class ... of youngsters for whom school was an option that they decided not to take up.

Perhaps an educational system for a bit later on in their lives when they've found that they can't get what they would wish in terms of income, goods or self-esteem might be considered. There is certainly time to plan this before the target group might decide to 'opt in', and this project could also provide employment for those on 'furlough' or 0 hours contracts who have the planning, business, marketing and educational skills not being used at the moment.

Over the last few years, the Y3A, the Open University and Adult Education facilities have surely demonstrated that the yearning for education doesn't mysteriously evaporate between 16 and 18 years of age ....

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Let's be honest. Truanting and exclusion in the past have meant that more pupils have 'relinquished' their education than we might include in our current presumptions, hypotheses and statistics.
In all but the most deprived areas these days (in Wales anyhoo), attendance is above 90%, often well above. Take that 10% absence across 1000 kids in a comp, where nearly all will have some absence, and that narrows down the habitual, long term truants a lot. My point is that schools used to be ambivalent about the nutters being away: it made life better for everyone! Not so much the last 10 years.

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PS, not disagreeing with your broader idea.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 10:35
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Alsacienne I do support your notions of further education in later life because.....that's how I got where I wanted to be. I just was not a dedicated scholar during traditional school years; thus I view the current six month or so disruption to the traditional school timetable as annoying, but 'catch-up' in future will be achieved for those who want it.
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