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Old 13th Jun 2020, 07:07
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Given that a child attending school is more likely to die from a lightening strike than CV19, which bureaucrat determined that the 2 metre rule was applicable to schools?
Sometimes fear overtakes reality.
As has been said countless times over the last 3 months, itís not the risk of the child getting seriously ill with it, itís the risk of who they might pass it on to. Thatís especially true now that they can see their grandparents (albeit outside) as the odds on particularly younger kids obeying the 2 metre (or even 1 metre) rule when they see them for the first time in months isnít great.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 09:21
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And the possibilty of teaching staff passing the virus on to their own families, from an asymptomatic child.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 10:29
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And the possibilty of teaching staff passing the virus on to their own families, from an asymptomatic child.
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The same argument applies to bus drivers, shop workers, hospital staff etc etc

Perhaps teachers (still on full salary) would prefer the country to remain on indefinite lock-down ?
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:26
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The teachers are not creating their own rules.
Have you read any of the previous posts?

The government and the local authorities dictate what schools can and can't do, NOT the teachers, who are simply employees.

The teachers ARE working and have been throughout the pandemic, including the Easter break.
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
The teachers are not creating their own rules.
Have you read any of the previous posts?

The government and the local authorities dictate what schools can and can't do, NOT the teachers, who are simply employees.

The teachers ARE working and have been throughout the pandemic, including the Easter break.
According to a Derbyshire head as of a week ago the government had issued schools with 150 changes to guidance notes, and that is now up to 180! In that light itís actually quite impressive that any kids have been to school at all!
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 01:55
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My children have been given a timetable. They have to log on to microsoft teams at 0900 and receive video lessons at set times on the day. They have also been set PE lessons which they are expected to complete.

We pay for their grammar school selected education mind. Best investment we have made.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 13:27
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We pay for their grammar school selected education mind. Best investment we have made.
It depends on the school/teachers and the child.
My two have both only ever attended state schools (as did my wife and I). One daughter is a veterinary surgeon and the other is currently at university studying microbiology (which seems to have been a good choice given recent events).
State schooling doesn't automatically equal poor education.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 13:59
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Iím a little late to the party but I feel I just have to add something to your comment about teachers still being on full salaries.

Most teachers donít earn huge wages. The government furlough scheme allows for payments of up to £2500 per month. That would exceed the take home pay of most of our teachers.

Since their wages and furlough payments both come from the government does it make much difference if they are still being paid or not?

For the record I am a little perplexed by the stance of the teaching unions. I am not sure why they believe their members are so special.

To give context, I qualified as a teacher before becoming a pilot and my wife is a qualified teacher. I have three children of primary age.

I am certainly not Ďanti-teachersí but I do think the current stance is going to quickly erode any sympathy they may get from the populace.

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Old 15th Jun 2020, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Iím a little late to the party but I feel I just have to add something to your comment about teachers still being on full salaries.

Most teachers donít earn huge wages. The government furlough scheme allows for payments of up to £2500 per month. That would exceed the take home pay of most of our teachers.

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Hello again Bob

I have much respect for you and your opinion. However may I point out that in the UK the average primary school teacher salary is £26177 per annum but the overall average teacherís salary is £38,400.
My wife has been a school finance officer for many years and has great respect for the majority of teachers but (as in any organisation) there are a few bad apples.

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Old 15th Jun 2020, 15:31
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Has it been suggested that they cancel the summer break which is nearly 6 weeks, Ie count the time enforced off school as an early summer break, or is that to simplistic?
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 16:30
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Has it been suggested that they cancel the summer break which is nearly 6 weeks, Ie count the time enforced off school as an early summer break, or is that to simplistic?
You really haven't thought that one through have you?. Not that most teachers will be inactive during the summer holidays anyway. I believe the exam boards have arranged for exams in October and November so there'll be a lot of trying to work out how to prepare student for those plus working out how to fill all the gaps created by the lockdown in all the years...
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 16:40
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Thatís very kind of you to say so but I know Iím not right about everything!

To be fair I am obviously out of touch with teachers salaries but £2500/month is equivalent to £30000/year after tax. That will certainly put an awful lot of teachers in the bracket.

Anyway, I donít have very strong feelings about it either way. My kids have been well looked after by their school and their Mum with a little help from me when Iíve been there.

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A little nugget I got from my young niece in West Yorkshire this evening. The teachers who have returned, are apparently now taking Friday afternoons off for lesson planning in West Yorkshire. After 10 week shut down there must have been time to do some lesson planning within that time. This while on full salary and pension etc. It does not seem that difficult to plan, bearing in mind much of the curriculum repeats, only the kids change.

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Old 16th Jun 2020, 07:06
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A little nugget I got from my young niece in West Yorkshire this evening. The teachers who have returned, are apparently now taking Friday afternoons off for lesson planning in West Yorkshire. After 10 week shut down there must have been time to do some lesson planning within that time. This while on full salary and pension etc. It does not seem that difficult to plan, bearing in mind much of the curriculum repeats, only the kids change.

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I refer you to my earlier post about the 180 changes to the guidance that government has instructed schools to fulfil to allow pupils to return....
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 07:33
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I refer you to my earlier post about the 180 changes to the guidance that government has instructed schools to fulfil to allow pupils to return....
Source document?, I have tried to find it but can only find the fairly straightforward guidance available on the You Gov site
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
A little nugget I got from my young niece in West Yorkshire this evening. The teachers who have returned, are apparently now taking Friday afternoons off for lesson planning in West Yorkshire. After 10 week shut down there must have been time to do some lesson planning within that time. This while on full salary and pension etc. It does not seem that difficult to plan, bearing in mind much of the curriculum repeats, only the kids change.

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Someone who has never seen a lesson plan never mind a whole scheme of work that is having to be adapted in his life. Love the use of the word 'apparently' too. But hey, teaching is the easiest job in the world isn't it? There's another thing that people are wilfully ignoring too. Apart from Councils it is the Head Teachers (a most conservative bunch if ever there was one) who certainly aren't happy and ONE of the reasons they aren't is that if all kicks off by way of an outbreak via their school who is to be held responsible? Funnily enough the government/scientists don't seem too keen on saying!
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 11:23
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
It depends on the school/teachers and the child.
My two have both only ever attended state schools (as did my wife and I). One daughter is a veterinary surgeon and the other is currently at university studying microbiology (which seems to have been a good choice given recent events).
State schooling doesn't automatically equal poor education.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 13:38
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Source document?, I have tried to find it but can only find the fairly straightforward guidance available on the You Gov site
I expect most here will dismiss it as itís in the Guardian, but this is the article where that came from: https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...glands-schools

Unfortunately the gov.uk website seems fairly high level, and doesnít show changes, however the fact that it was again updated only yesterday suggests it does change regularly.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:30
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Source document?, I have tried to find it but can only find the fairly straightforward guidance available on the You Gov site
You obviously weren't watching Breakfast Time on BBC about 2 weeks ago when a Head being interviewed said she'd only just managed to get through (at that time) the 141 'advisory' documents that were being sent out practiically on a daily basis. These are document which go straight to Education Department and schools.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 15:10
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Unfortunately the gov.uk website seems fairly high level, and doesnít show changes, however the fact that it was again updated only yesterday suggests it does change regularly.
It changes before you've fimished reading it.
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