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Old 29th Jul 2020, 22:49
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Looking at the current crop of Democrat politicians, one cannot completely dismiss the theory of alien DNA.
If Aliens have reached the planet Earth and disguised themselves as Democrats then they have mastered incredibly advanced science like interstellar faster than light speed travel, cloaking technology and DNA alteration.

So even if your statement is meant as an insult towards Democrats OB in reality you have just praised them as far more intelligent than Republicans

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Old 29th Jul 2020, 23:35
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Quite the contrary, Dre. If the Aliens' mastery of interplanetary travel is a sign of their intelligence, why would they have stooped so low as to stop here and interbreed with humans? They should have just passed Earth by and continued on to Zorg. I understand there are no Progressives there.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 23:41
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Actually, the aliens did stop here, but when they were about to say "Take me to your leader" they saw that orange idiot saying that chloroquine was good, so they shut the door and kept going.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 01:28
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
If Aliens have reached the planet Earth and disguised themselves as Democrats then they have mastered incredibly advanced science like interstellar faster than light speed travel, cloaking technology and DNA alteration.

So even if your statement is meant as an insult towards Democrats OB in reality you have just praised them as far more intelligent than Republicans
Yes, but look where they landed, earth!
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 02:07
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post
Yes, but look where they landed, earth!

For the Chinese takeout?
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 03:50
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
For the Chinese takeout?
That, and probably a talk with the folks at Google Intergalactic Maps about the right turn direction instead of left turn at Andromeda.
I wonder if street view works in space?
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 13:38
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Trump wants to delay the election. Can he do that??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 14:13
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Originally Posted by scr1 View Post
Trump wants to delay the election. Can he do that??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975
I've been waiting for this. No, because the date is controlled by Congress where sane people control the house, so he can't do it.

This is a distraction to steal the news cycle from the quarterly 9.5% fall in GDP (33% annualised) that was announced 90 minutes ago.

I await the 2/3 clapping seals on here defending this nonsense whereas we all know that if the black man tweeted this out in 2016 there'd be guns out on the streets.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 14:40
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I don't see why postal voting should be such an apparent concern in the US. We've had it here in the UK for as long as can remember; it's used a lot by service people, and many others, who are serving overseas on election day. I've used it a couple of times, seems robust and not that easy to rig by those intent on biasing an outcome.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 15:39
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I don't see why postal voting should be such an apparent concern in the US. We've had it here in the UK for as long as can remember; it's used a lot by service people, and many others, who are serving overseas on election day. I've used it a couple of times, seems robust and not that easy to rig by those intent on biasing an outcome.
I struggle to see why trump thinks postal voting is such a threat. I mean heís been trying to sort it out for himself. Whatís good for the goose.....
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 16:06
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I don't see why postal voting should be such an apparent concern in the US. We've had it here in the UK for as long as can remember; it's used a lot by service people, and many others, who are serving overseas on election day. I've used it a couple of times, seems robust and not that easy to rig by those intent on biasing an outcome.
It is a problem in some areas of the UK, where the extended familiy hands all the ballot papers to the head of the family, normally the head male, who then casts all the votes the way he wants, rather than giving each household member the opportunity to express their own opinion, least of all the women folk. That said, in the scheme of things I doubt such behaviour has swung an election.

Trump rather likes the way in which his pall Putin and Xi can cling on to power, and is now trying to use every weapon at his disposal to avoid a humiliating loss in November, one which would be all the more surprising given the poor calibre of candidate that he's up against. I don't see this as a distraction from poor GDP numbers, surely most Americans understand that given Covid-19 that was always going to be the situation, it is a naked attempt to cling on to power by fair means or foul.

I think Americans are going to be in for an interesting ride up to the result of the election in November, and if Trump loses watch him try and cling on to power whilst fighting the result through the courts. Could get very messy, and potentially very unpleasant.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 17:18
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I await the 2/3 clapping seals on here defending this nonsense
What insulting nonsense. Admittedly, Trump likes to stir up the opposition, so he twitters stuff like this. The reaction is predictable: "worst thing he's ever done", etc., etc. Primarily because Friday is coming and the media has to have something to obsess about as the slower weekend approaches.

He can twitter all he likes about this. He does not control the election process. We in fact have a Constitution (I know many of you lot natter on about our great love for it) and that will be the controlling force.

As to this:
I think Americans are going to be in for an interesting ride up to the result of the election in November, and if Trump loses watch him try and cling on to power whilst fighting the result
Let me state my prediction here, the last couple of days in July: In the month after November 3 there will indeed be lots of griping and nattering and lawyering and contesting of many election results. 95% of it will come from Democrats, as they have always done in the past.

Finally, I find it interesting that a bunch of you in UK go on about rigging the election date/result in the US when you live in a place where there is NO separation between the Legislative and Executive branches of government, and the procedures allow the incumbent to pick an election date (within a range of course) most favorable to his/her own victory.

The writers of the US Constitution were among the most prescient in world history. They took the long and proud history of British democratic evolution, recognized the importance of such milestones as Magna Carta and the Great Remonstrance, and forged a better way, which has survived well for over two centuries.

It can easily survive a few twitterati, as it can survive the outrage of the week.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:01
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No. Setting the date of the presidential election is entirely the power of the congress.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:02
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Originally Posted by scr1 View Post
Trump wants to delay the election. Can he do that??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975
The Whiney assed biyatch sounds weak and scared. For the first time since daddy put a silver spoon in his mouth there exists the possibility of failure on the largest stage of them all.
If I was Biden, Iíd keep quiet and let Trump Tweet his way out of the WH. During the debates, Iíd insist on a ramp towards the stage and a large bottle of water on Trumpís lecturn.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:17
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post
I struggle to see why trump thinks postal voting is such a threat. I mean heís been trying to sort it out for himself. Whatís good for the goose.....
Postal voting isnít a threat. The rate of fraud with postal voting is 0.00004% to 0.00009%.

Itís because Trump is probably just smart enough to know his chances of winning are low if the pandemic and GDP keep trending the way they are, a delay of 3-6 months could possibly improve his chances. But a pandemic in 1918 or a civil war in 1864 werenít enough of an excuse to stop an election so this wonít be either.

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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:25
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Originally Posted by twb3 View Post
No. Setting the date of the presidential election is entirely the power of the congress.
As provided for in the Constitution:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 4:
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:30
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Earlier this month, Cain appeared to support the decision not to require masks for Trump's July 4 celebration event at Mount Rushmore.

"Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump. PEOPLE ARE FED UP!" Cain's Twitter account posted
Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain dies from Coronavirus
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:36
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post

As to this:
Let me state my prediction here, the last couple of days in July: In the month after November 3 there will indeed be lots of griping and nattering and lawyering and contesting of many election results. 95% of it will come from Democrats, as they have always done in the past.
Why is it conservatives have such short political memories commonly know as political dementia? So, only Democrats gripe, natter & lawyer? Let me take you way, way back in time when Obama was elected President for the first term in office. It was back when Twitter was just getting off the ground and people griped, nattered and lawyered the old fashion way, they wrote letters... Now here is an old fashion one written by a true conservative Republican griping and nattering about being scared to death. It was a letter that went around the world. This was an executive of Procter & Gamble who struck a big business deal on behalf of P&G with Sam Walton of Walmart fame:

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don’t understand it at its core..
You scare me because you lack humility and ‘class’, always blaming others.You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the ‘blame America’ crowd and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer ‘wind mills’ to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
You scare me because you have begun to use ‘extortion’ tactics against certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O’Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett

But he did write a second letter at the beginning of Obama's second term when he became "terrified".
So much for only Democratic griping, nattering and lawyering, eh?
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:49
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A sad and preventable death.

But to be expected when one allows ideology and belief to override science and knowledge in choosing behavior.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:51
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As provided for in the Constitution:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 4:
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
Thank you, Ob. Saved me having to dig it up.

BTW - that was established by Congress (not the Constitution) to be "The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November" in 1845, to help farmers in remote areas combine a horse-drawn trip to a voting location with their regular trips for market days (traditionally Wednesdays).

Reaffirmed in later versions: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/7

Could be changed by Congressional statute, but changing the inauguration date would require repealing/amending the 20th Amendment (ratified 1933, first applied in 1937) - which in its turn acknowledged improvements in transportation since the 18th and 19th centuries :

https://constitutioncenter.org/inter...t/amendment-xx

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