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Old 11th Jul 2020, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Right Hand Thread View Post
Awww, truth hurts huh?

Fact of the matter is that under Trump* the US has lost credibility on the world stage. He/they have left allies standing and reneged on their agreements to the point where many countries have to be either waiting on a good result in November's election (ie, the appearance of some sanity in the White house) or planning to cut certain ties and move on without them. Given the instability of US politics the latter might be the best bet.


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RHT - I fear you have a very imperfect understanding of these things.

Certainly, the international standing of the US has taken a knock due to the idiosyncratic behaviour of The Donald. But most appreciate that this situation has arisen from the personal shortcomings of one man whose views often have conflicted with opinion generally held within the nation and abroad. It seems likely that he will serve only one term of office and in some respects, this could be viewed as a pity.

But if you think that the UK will benefit from having Biden as US President, you are very wrong indeed.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 00:20
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post

Certainly, the international standing of the US has taken a knock due to the idiosyncratic behaviour of The Donald. But most appreciate that this situation has arisen from the personal shortcomings of one man whose views often have conflicted with opinion generally held within the nation and abroad. It seems likely that he will serve only one term of office and in some respects, this could be viewed as a pity.
Itís not so much ďone manĒ. He let everyone know exactly what his thoughts and opinions were well before he was elected. And he still won the election. So itís well more than one man, roughly 50% of the US population who bothered to vote decided to cast a ballot for him, over 60 million people. So at their own request Trump represents a whole section of the United States. And had it not been for the economic decline recently he would probably be favourite for re-election.

So if Biden is elected do you think Trump, his family and associates, his financial backers, his media allies and his supporter base will just fade away? Do you think the Republican Party will transition back to a party where a Mitt Romney type could be the 2024 candidate? I doubt it. Thereís a large swathe of voters whom Trump (pr a Trump like figure) represents them. I cannot see them voting for a Romney or a Jeb or a Rubio or whatever.

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Old 12th Jul 2020, 00:34
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As to your last paragraph dre, you understand little of the nature of US politics. Your education comes from media who have shaped a position for folks like yourself. You've purchased the narrative without question from a far away land of either China or Australia.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 01:12
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That’s called playing the man not the ball.
This makes a great drinking game. I'll bet if we searched all 3 versions of the "US Politics" thread here we'd find this overused critique hundreds of times. My liver couldn't take it.

This, of course, usually accompanied soon after by a, you know, "personal insult", which in reality is playing the man and ignoring the ball.

I prefer the rules of American Football: Play the ball. Kick the crap out of the man if you need to, as he was in the way.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 01:15
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Itís not so much ďone manĒ. He let everyone know exactly what his thoughts and opinions were well before he was elected. And he still won the election. So itís well more than one man, roughly 50% of the US population who bothered to vote decided to cast a ballot for him, over 60 million people. So at their own request Trump represents a whole section of the United States. And had it not been for the economic decline recently he would probably be favourite for re-election.

So if Biden is elected do you think Trump, his family and associates, his financial backers, his media allies and his supporter base will just fade away? Do you think the Republican Party will transition back to a party where a Mitt Romney type could be the 2024 candidate? I doubt it. Thereís a large swathe of voters whom Trump (pr a Trump like figure) represents them. I cannot see them voting for a Romney or a Jeb or a Rubio or whatever.
You're partly right, but mostly surface personalities

The person who is president is expected to lead, more then to dictate. However heshe also represents most of the ideals of their party. But if in combination of th now two party system the congress generates a law that if heshe doesn't like it can be vetoed and sent back to congress to see if they can muster up enough new votes to overturn the veto.

Meanwhile some problems cry out for quicker action than debating the issues for months among congress, so the heshe tends to whip up support on their own, often pissing off those that want to take the time to debate how many angels can fit on a pin point

In times of national peril the heshe needs to lead in searching out the opinions of the support of the public by calmly putting the issues in perspective to be understood.in all its shades, not just black & white

Obviously this aint working when both congress and the presidency are yelling foul at each other.

So we the people get stuck in the middle of this battle and view nothing but acrimony So what do we need? We are almost to the point of only progressing with issue after issue being decided by the courts. A new leader ain't gonna solve this unless they are a dictator

So no intelligent person wants the presidency except those who want to show off wasted skills that have to be solved by the courts.

For me, forget about wasting issues of who will run for president and pay more attention to congress passing laws that support my ideals
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 01:19
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pay more attention to congress passing laws that support my ideals
The problem there is that the Congress generally passes laws supporting their own goals. Like getting re-elected..
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 01:29
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
The problem there is that the Congress generally passes laws supporting their own goals. Like getting re-elected..
I agree with ob; too much ass protecting going on.
You'll find many in the US are quite fine with cutting ties RHT.
And many of us are not.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 03:29
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I agree with ob; too much ass protecting going on.

And many of us are not.
You have draft age children? Two for me, donít want them potentially fighting as the worldís policeman as a result of agreements where the host nation refuses to do the heavy lifting.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 03:39
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I know they are, probably the same people who have never even left their own county and think god is real. The sort of people who are holding the rest of the country back.
I guess our motives differ. I was more thinking changing ideologies, pivoting towards Asia, financial considerations, etc as a basis of ending/amending existing agreements. If you however wish to make it about whether one has a belief in a higher being, then please safety wire yourself to the transmit switch.

Keep typing, make your fellow euros cringe.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 05:06
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You have draft age children?
No, but I was sure up for the draft in Vietnam, had #69 in the lottery, was called up in December, reported to the induction center, had a chance to split but didn't, was pulled out of the swearing in line and told to see Major Henderson and was asked if I really wanted to be in the Army. No sir. We're sending you home. Why? Over called the draft, you were eligible, you're out. Want to leave now? Yep.

I had two brothers who were drafted to the war and fortunately neither was sent to Nam.

So, long story short, blaming a draft on other countries is BS. It had to do with stupid decisions made here and will in the future. You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 05:38
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No, but I was sure up for the draft in Vietnam, had #69 in the lottery, was called up in December, reported to the induction center, had a chance to split but didn't, was pulled out of the swearing in line and told to see Major Henderson and was asked if I really wanted to be in the Army. No sir. We're sending you home. Why? Over called the draft, you were eligible, you're out. Want to leave now? Yep.

I had two brothers who were drafted to the war and fortunately neither was sent to Nam.

So, long story short, blaming a draft on other countries is BS. It had to do with stupid decisions made here and will in the future. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Certain nations within NATO not financially carrying their burden isnít blaming the draft. Nations such as Turkey cozying up to Vlad while on paper remaining a US (and euro) ally isnít blaming the draft. These are reasons to reevaluate existing relationships whether you agree or not.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 06:15
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My draft story is a lot more complex than Winemakers! Best not related here, though.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 06:15
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Good thing you live in Oz, a place nobody cares about!
How childish.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 09:28
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Just because former Presidents have Pardoned/commuted since time immemorial, it doesnt make it right...Surely we should all be trying to rise above that.
I hope and pray that Trump gets booted out in November, but I think its going to be a lot closer than the opinion polls suggest.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 09:50
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No no no, you misunderstand. Only the stupid foreigners, who all know nothing of american politics, can be insulting and arrogant. We should review alliances with them.
He, he. There are times that I think that the average foreigner is more interested, and updated on American politics, particularly of the foreign variety, than the average American.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 11:30
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Originally Posted by ATSA1 View Post
Just because former Presidents have Pardoned/commuted since time immemorial, it doesnt make it right...Surely we should all be trying to rise above that.
I hope and pray that Trump gets booted out in November, but I think its going to be a lot closer than the opinion polls suggest.
Remember, he promised to drain the swamp. Perhaps Iím daft but given his family all have jobs in the administration (ISTR the Republicans went absolutely ape about Hillary when Clinton gave her a job in his administration), and his crooked supporters get pardoned/sentences commuted, how the actual f**k is this draining the swamp?
Promises made to the gullible, promises not kept.
Why, after 4 years do we still need to MAGA. This guy just canít get things done.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:17
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wtsmg

never mind his own Psychiatrist PhD sister diagnosing him as mentally ill and with a learning difficulty
Just a point of order, Mary Trump is Donald's niece, not his sister
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Promises made to the gullible, promises not kept.
Why, after 4 years do we still need to MAGA. This guy just canít get things done.
Maybe because America is not doing too well. Biden and Trump. Is that all you can manage to 'lead the free world'?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:52
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Maybe because America is not doing too well. Biden and Trump. Is that all you can manage to 'lead the free world'?

We can't get Putin or Per to run
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:56
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We can't get Putin or Per to run
Try to combine them.
Pertin?
Puter?
Putiner?
Puper?
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