US Politics Hamsterwheel V3.0
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Originally Posted by Right Hand Thread
Awww, truth hurts huh?
Fact of the matter is that under Trump* the US has lost credibility on the world stage. He/they have left allies standing and reneged on their agreements to the point where many countries have to be either waiting on a good result in November's election (ie, the appearance of some sanity in the White house) or planning to cut certain ties and move on without them. Given the instability of US politics the latter might be the best bet.
*Impeached
Fact of the matter is that under Trump* the US has lost credibility on the world stage. He/they have left allies standing and reneged on their agreements to the point where many countries have to be either waiting on a good result in November's election (ie, the appearance of some sanity in the White house) or planning to cut certain ties and move on without them. Given the instability of US politics the latter might be the best bet.
*Impeached
Certainly, the international standing of the US has taken a knock due to the idiosyncratic behaviour of The Donald. But most appreciate that this situation has arisen from the personal shortcomings of one man whose views often have conflicted with opinion generally held within the nation and abroad. It seems likely that he will serve only one term of office and in some respects, this could be viewed as a pity.
But if you think that the UK will benefit from having Biden as US President, you are very wrong indeed.
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen
Certainly, the international standing of the US has taken a knock due to the idiosyncratic behaviour of The Donald. But most appreciate that this situation has arisen from the personal shortcomings of one man whose views often have conflicted with opinion generally held within the nation and abroad. It seems likely that he will serve only one term of office and in some respects, this could be viewed as a pity.
So if Biden is elected do you think Trump, his family and associates, his financial backers, his media allies and his supporter base will just fade away? Do you think the Republican Party will transition back to a party where a Mitt Romney type could be the 2024 candidate? I doubt it. There’s a large swathe of voters whom Trump (pr a Trump like figure) represents them. I cannot see them voting for a Romney or a Jeb or a Rubio or whatever.
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As to your last paragraph dre, you understand little of the nature of US politics. Your education comes from media who have shaped a position for folks like yourself. You've purchased the narrative without question from a far away land of either China or Australia.
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That’s called playing the man not the ball.
This, of course, usually accompanied soon after by a, you know, "personal insult", which in reality is playing the man and ignoring the ball.
I prefer the rules of American Football: Play the ball. Kick the crap out of the man if you need to, as he was in the way.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
It’s not so much “one man”. He let everyone know exactly what his thoughts and opinions were well before he was elected. And he still won the election. So it’s well more than one man, roughly 50% of the US population who bothered to vote decided to cast a ballot for him, over 60 million people. So at their own request Trump represents a whole section of the United States. And had it not been for the economic decline recently he would probably be favourite for re-election.
So if Biden is elected do you think Trump, his family and associates, his financial backers, his media allies and his supporter base will just fade away? Do you think the Republican Party will transition back to a party where a Mitt Romney type could be the 2024 candidate? I doubt it. There’s a large swathe of voters whom Trump (pr a Trump like figure) represents them. I cannot see them voting for a Romney or a Jeb or a Rubio or whatever.
So if Biden is elected do you think Trump, his family and associates, his financial backers, his media allies and his supporter base will just fade away? Do you think the Republican Party will transition back to a party where a Mitt Romney type could be the 2024 candidate? I doubt it. There’s a large swathe of voters whom Trump (pr a Trump like figure) represents them. I cannot see them voting for a Romney or a Jeb or a Rubio or whatever.
The person who is president is expected to lead, more then to dictate. However heshe also represents most of the ideals of their party. But if in combination of th now two party system the congress generates a law that if heshe doesn't like it can be vetoed and sent back to congress to see if they can muster up enough new votes to overturn the veto.
Meanwhile some problems cry out for quicker action than debating the issues for months among congress, so the heshe tends to whip up support on their own, often pissing off those that want to take the time to debate how many angels can fit on a pin point
In times of national peril the heshe needs to lead in searching out the opinions of the support of the public by calmly putting the issues in perspective to be understood.in all its shades, not just black & white
Obviously this aint working when both congress and the presidency are yelling foul at each other.
So we the people get stuck in the middle of this battle and view nothing but acrimony So what do we need? We are almost to the point of only progressing with issue after issue being decided by the courts. A new leader ain't gonna solve this unless they are a dictator
So no intelligent person wants the presidency except those who want to show off wasted skills that have to be solved by the courts.
For me, forget about wasting issues of who will run for president and pay more attention to congress passing laws that support my ideals
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Originally Posted by obgraham
The problem there is that the Congress generally passes laws supporting their own goals. Like getting re-elected..
You'll find many in the US are quite fine with cutting ties RHT.
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Originally Posted by Winemaker
I agree with ob; too much ass protecting going on.
And many of us are not.
And many of us are not.
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Originally Posted by Right Hand Thread
I know they are, probably the same people who have never even left their own county and think god is real. The sort of people who are holding the rest of the country back.
Keep typing, make your fellow euros cringe.
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You have draft age children?
I had two brothers who were drafted to the war and fortunately neither was sent to Nam.
So, long story short, blaming a draft on other countries is BS. It had to do with stupid decisions made here and will in the future. You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Originally Posted by Winemaker
No, but I was sure up for the draft in Vietnam, had #69 in the lottery, was called up in December, reported to the induction center, had a chance to split but didn't, was pulled out of the swearing in line and told to see Major Henderson and was asked if I really wanted to be in the Army. No sir. We're sending you home. Why? Over called the draft, you were eligible, you're out. Want to leave now? Yep.
I had two brothers who were drafted to the war and fortunately neither was sent to Nam.
So, long story short, blaming a draft on other countries is BS. It had to do with stupid decisions made here and will in the future. You're barking up the wrong tree.
I had two brothers who were drafted to the war and fortunately neither was sent to Nam.
So, long story short, blaming a draft on other countries is BS. It had to do with stupid decisions made here and will in the future. You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Just because former Presidents have Pardoned/commuted since time immemorial, it doesnt make it right...Surely we should all be trying to rise above that.
I hope and pray that Trump gets booted out in November, but I think its going to be a lot closer than the opinion polls suggest.
I hope and pray that Trump gets booted out in November, but I think its going to be a lot closer than the opinion polls suggest.
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Originally Posted by wtsmg
No no no, you misunderstand. Only the stupid foreigners, who all know nothing of american politics, can be insulting and arrogant. We should review alliances with them.
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Originally Posted by ATSA1
Just because former Presidents have Pardoned/commuted since time immemorial, it doesnt make it right...Surely we should all be trying to rise above that.
I hope and pray that Trump gets booted out in November, but I think its going to be a lot closer than the opinion polls suggest.
I hope and pray that Trump gets booted out in November, but I think its going to be a lot closer than the opinion polls suggest.
Promises made to the gullible, promises not kept.
Why, after 4 years do we still need to MAGA. This guy just can’t get things done.
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Originally Posted by Toadstool
Promises made to the gullible, promises not kept.
Why, after 4 years do we still need to MAGA. This guy just can’t get things done.
Why, after 4 years do we still need to MAGA. This guy just can’t get things done.
