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Old 11th Jul 2020, 16:13
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Not sure it was a pardon..more a sentence commuted..which menas he still has a criminal record.. But it still leaves one with a nasty taste in their mouth...
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 16:43
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Originally Posted by SMT Member View Post
Screw the sodding visa's, there's much bigger fish to fry this weekend. The biggest one of which, is that Trump has issued his 36th pardon. Of those 36 pardons, 31 of them have been issued to people with whom he has, or had, a personal relationship.

Stone got pardoned for observing Omerta.

And I'll now stand back ready for my jaw dropping to me knees at how the Trumpists will defend that magnificent piece of swamp draining,
Marc Rich...Susan McDougal...Dan Rostenkowski...Roger Clinton --- a few to start with.

But you lot seem to think that all of political history began with Trump ruining the purity of the previous political class. Carry on with book burning and food boycotts -- that'll fix things.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 16:57
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Marc Rich...Susan McDougal...Dan Rostenkowski...Roger Clinton --- a few to start with.

But you lot seem to think that all of political history began with Trump ruining the purity of the previous political class. Carry on with book burning and food boycotts -- that'll fix things.
They were all pardoned in the last throes of Clintonís Presidency. Presidents usually do this just before leaving office. Perhaps Trump is telling us something.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 17:19
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
You honestly believe thereís no other visa type besides student? Take a read in the link and dispel yourself of that notion.

https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-directory/

Visas are issued for very specific reasons. If that allowance is no longer available, the visa should no longer be valid.

Why even have visas if the users arenít able to utilize them as issued.
I didn't see the visa type for Student temporarily locked out of classes because of a pandemic. Can you point to it? Just as well you weren't around when OBGRAHAM was looking for his Green Card.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 17:23
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Marc Rich...Susan McDougal...Dan Rostenkowski...Roger Clinton --- a few to start with.

But you lot seem to think that all of political history began with Trump ruining the purity of the previous political class. Carry on with book burning and food boycotts -- that'll fix things.
I love it! The whataboutary. "But but but CLINTON did it too" Where is that shining city upon a hill Ronald Reagan spoke about? The rest of the world looks on disgusted by the cowardice of Republicans who continue to act as accesories to Trump's foolishness. Only Mitt Romney seems to still have balls..
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 17:52
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
If you’re here on a student visa and you can’t attend class, then either get a different visa that allows you to stay or head home. Do distance learning from your home country.
Not all students will have or be allowed access to the internet, What happens if the student comes from a country closed to travellers from the USA? More camps? Deported to any other country? Not all learning can be done online. Some subjects require work in labs etc. Bit easy to just say "get another visa" when actually it is nigh impossible to get one under the present circumstances.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 17:54
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Rev, you and Brakes never saw a point you couldn't miss.

These pardons have been going on for decades. You seem to think it is something new. That's what happens when you view history through a telescope that only goes back three years.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 17:55
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Only Mitt Romney seems to still have balls..
Oh he has them. They just aren't attached.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 18:05
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Cool

Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
You gotta love Kellyanne Conway, LOL!
"The rally scheduled for Saturday in Portsmouth New Hampshire has been postponed for safety reasons because of Tropical Storm Fay,"
So now both Storm Fay and Stormy Daniels have blown Trump?



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Old 11th Jul 2020, 18:11
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The pardon stuff (including commutes) has always caused me heartburn on the surface. Yea most of it becaused of a presidents subjective non-legal judgement that the rap was unfair compared to the perp's peers. All presidents have done it and we the avg joe don't like the hints of subjectiveness that we don't oversee.

So when are we gonna change it? it certainly isn't going away with Trump, or do we simply put up with it as a sign that there is a God and final justice?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 18:58
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Or drop US unis altogether, your economic loss.
As for Trump/Stone, it makes me wonder, was the US always a Mickey Mouse country and Trump has brought it to the surface, or is this all new Trump?
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The US has always been a Mickey Mouse country. The ruling elite have been able to get away with pretty much anything they choose as the average American is too busy being distracted by sports and stories about politicians and prostitutes.

Look no further than the WMD lies under bush II or Iran Contra under Reagan.

Elliott Abrams is a great example, lied to the Senate about US assistance in the massacre of hundreds of civilians in El Salvador then lied to congress about the illegal supply of weapons to the Contraís in Nicaragua, a war crime for which the US has been charged with human rights violations by the ICJ.

What happened to Abrams? Pardoned by Bush II and is now the Special Representative for Venezuela where he is repeating the same behavior as before, lying for the US in order to manufacture a case in support of armed intervention in that country on behalf of big oil!

Is it any wonder the US is viewed as having zero credibility.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 19:01
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Is it any wonder the US is viewed as having zero credibility.
Good thing you live in Oz, a place nobody cares about!
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 19:18
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Originally Posted by Brakes on View Post
Not all students will have or be allowed access to the internet, What happens if the student comes from a country closed to travellers from the USA? More camps? Deported to any other country? Not all learning can be done online. Some subjects require work in labs etc. Bit easy to just say "get another visa" when actually it is nigh impossible to get one under the present circumstances.
If those labs you mention are going on in the US then they are attending class which satisfies the requirements of the student Visa and are then welcome to stay.

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Old 11th Jul 2020, 19:19
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Good thing you live in Oz, a place nobody cares about!
Awww, truth hurts huh?

Fact of the matter is that under Trump* the US has lost credibility on the world stage. He/they have left allies standing and reneged on their agreements to the point where many countries have to be either waiting on a good result in November's election (ie, the appearance of some sanity in the White house) or planning to cut certain ties and move on without them. Given the instability of US politics the latter might be the best bet.


*Impeached
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 20:02
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You'll find many in the US are quite fine with cutting ties RHT.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 20:20
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I know they are, probably the same people who have never even left their own county and think god is real. The sort of people who are holding the rest of the country back.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 20:40
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I know they are, probably the same people who have never even left their own county and think god is real. The sort of people who are holding the rest of the country back.
Ignorance/arrogance/stupidity like that is a prime reason many of us would like to reevaluate alliances.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 21:57
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Indeed, posts like RHT's simply validate Trump's comments on immigration. Selectivity is the key.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 22:11
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Ignorance/arrogance/stupidity like that is a prime reason many of us would like to reevaluate alliances.
Go for it. Please.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 22:45
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
Trump is always looking for a way to expell folks:
There was also a report on the radio that Green Card applicants can't come to the US in time to finish their application, by Sept. 1, because the country is locked down.
There was a time when Green Card applicants had to make application from within the US and were unable to leave the country during the time the application was being processed. Well, they could leave but this voided the application.
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