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Old 28th May 2020, 23:09
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Dear Leader makes more shit up. Can he speak without lying? I think even ob would agree this is absurd. I quote:

The United States cannot have all Mail In Ballots. It will be the greatest Rigged Election in history. People grab them from mailboxes, print thousands of forgeries and ďforceĒ people to sign. Also, forge names.
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Old 28th May 2020, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
That it was Trump's fault is a pretty easy claim to make. If Trump controlled the American free press, we would be in lock-step with the Brazil pandemic do nothing model. Their Pres. up until now has denied that COVID-19 is anything more than a mild flu that would magically go away, like Trump in the beginning 5 weeks of denial to protect his reelection possibilities. Trump said "It's all a hoax." Rather surprised to see your position in writing considering your vocation...

TD
Regarding Covid-19, Trump has done better for the US than Europe has for it's large countries equaling the US population.

Let that sink in.
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Old 28th May 2020, 23:42
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Originally Posted by wtsmg View Post
Cute cartoon WTSMG.
Your avatar indicates a UK location. Can we look at today's facts instead of cartoons?

USA Covid-19 Deaths per 1 million people.................312
UK Covid-19 Deaths per 1 million people...................558

USA is doing better. Must be Trump.
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Old 28th May 2020, 23:44
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Originally Posted by Winemaker View Post
Dear Leader makes more shit up. Can he speak without lying? I think even ob would agree this is absurd. I quote:
Indeed, the Trump team is trying to make a case that mail in voter fraud exists by cleverly and extremely dishonestly misusing a 2012 Pew Research Study titled:

"Inaccurate, Costly, and Inefficient: Evidence That America’s Voter Registration System Needs an Upgrade."

This is where they get the number of 24 million, albeit by completely misrepresenting the report.

One of the key contributors to the Pew report has stated:

“There is a big leap between an outdated record or an administrative inefficiency on a list and the act of voter fraud. It just doesn't happen.”

To Americas credit, the voting system is reasonably robust and produced a President forever jumping at shadows about the lack of popular vote.

Trump is not concerned about fraud in the electoral system, he certainly ignores fraud in every other facet of business or public life when it works to his favor.

His sole motivation is to drive down voter turnout in electorates where low turnout will be to his benefit.

Luckily for Trump, as evidenced by this thread, there are plenty of supporters out there that refuse to see through his nonsense.
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Old 28th May 2020, 23:49
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Winemaker, I have said more than once, that I think mail-in balloting such as we have here works fine. I think Trump should focus on more substantive issues.
I am also sure there is potential for fraud in the process, and it must be carefully monitored. Just like in-person voting. But libs don't want such simple and worldwide processes as voter-ID. Why is that?
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Old 28th May 2020, 23:57
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George Floyd prosecutor says cops involved in his death might not be charged

The mind boggles. In the exact same city, 3 years ago, Mohammed Noor, a Muslim police officer, shot and killed a white woman, was arrested three days later, and sentenced to 12 years in jail, all based on eyewitness reports with no audio or video of the shooting being captured.

Yet here you have video evidence of a white police officer murdering a black man, and the prosecutor says he might not be charged? I suppose itís easier to makes the charges stick against a black person than a white person. And old white men sit behind their keyboards musing why the black community is rioting???

Freedumb.
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Old 29th May 2020, 00:22
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wishi,
I can't speak in detail about the previous shooting, but witnesses and the act of firing might have been a more of a clear cut case of intentional death than this case. Personally, I don't think this idiots had the direct intent to murder Mr. Floyd, but from poor training, a lack of training, sleeping through training or sheer stupidity, they negligently caused Mr. Floyd's death. The Prosecutor is no doubt building a case that will be as airtight as possible because if there are any mistakes, the response from a acquittal on a technicality will bring many more deaths than just this one.
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Old 29th May 2020, 00:49
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Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad? View Post
Cute cartoon WTSMG.
Your avatar indicates a UK location. Can we look at today's facts instead of cartoons?

USA Covid-19 Deaths per 1 million people.................312
UK Covid-19 Deaths per 1 million people...................558

USA is doing better. Must be Trump.
Many COVID19 deaths are not being recorded in the US. Nursing home deaths, certainly are overlooked. Also, some in home deaths are not recorded.
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Old 29th May 2020, 00:59
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Winemaker, I have said more than once, that I think mail-in balloting such as we have here works fine. I think Trump should focus on more substantive issues.
I am also sure there is potential for fraud in the process, and it must be carefully monitored. Just like in-person voting. But libs don't want such simple and worldwide processes as voter-ID. Why is that?
I see nothing wrong with voter ID if it's fairly and equally applied. I have family in Huntsville, Alabama and attended two years of high school there. Alabama instituted a voter ID requirement that mandated either a state driver's license or a state ID card which could be acquired at a state motor vehicle license branch. The state then shut down over half of the branch offices in rural black majority counties, requiring anyone who wanted to vote but didn't have a drivers license to travel to another county to acquire one. Guess who this affected most - yep, poor rural folk without cars. The state did keep the state liquor stores open in these places though. This was a blatant voter suppression move to reduce the turnout of black rural poor voters who would most likely vote Democratic. So sure, require ID but don't make it more difficult for a certain population segment to get that ID.

Edit several times for syntax, grammar, and spelling but not context.

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Old 29th May 2020, 01:15
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Where is your data Dea? Last time I heard, we were over-reporting. There would have to be a massive coordinated cover up to statistically affect those numbers. Doctors, Coroners, Nurses, Hospital and Nursing Home staff would have to be lying, so where is your proof? Mine is the data posted regarding the US compared to the UK. The same numbers are true if you compare the US population Covid stats to the combined population stats of the largest European countries.

If you live in L.A. , ask the following question to your fellow Angelinos. Which population has the higher Covid-19 death rate, the USA under Trump's leadership, or the combined populations of the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain which closely equals the US?

I doubt a single person in L.A. will name the USA as performing better. Probably not many here either.

A few days ago those countries mentioned above have 40,000+ more deaths than the US with the same population, and only Germany had a lower death rate. The German rate is admirable and a standard to be modeled after, but it also compares closely to that of Florida's run by Governor DeSantis.
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Old 29th May 2020, 08:16
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Meanwhile....


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Old 29th May 2020, 08:20
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WhatsaLizad, Your news about over-reporting is most certainly wrong. Think about it. Dont just swallow Fox News without thinking. Almost every country in the world is under-reporting. Some more than others.
I see you trying to use data from UK, Italy, France and Spain to justify your arguments. Kindly compare similar data from other parts of Europe including Germany, Denmark, Norway and others, or Australia and New Zealand. Maybe it will be clear to you that Trump's inaction for an entire month in February has cost more lives than should have been. Same as Boris Johnson and his clueless band over here. Why is Trump shouting about China's cover-up when ALL countries had the same information at the same time. Some decided to take action and prepare while Trump after having initially praised Chairman Xi and China's handling of the pandemic said "it's just a little flu that will magically go away". DUMB.
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Old 29th May 2020, 08:38
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post

Yet here you have video evidence of a white police officer murdering a black man, and the prosecutor says he might not be charged? I suppose itís easier to makes the charges stick against a black person than a white person. And old white men sit behind their keyboards musing why the black community is rioting???

Freedumb.
Reminds me of this little exchange:

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Old 29th May 2020, 10:16
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Trump might get his wish, itís probably not a bad time for Mexico to build a wall to protect it from the future failed state to its north.
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Old 29th May 2020, 10:56
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Originally Posted by NumptyAussie View Post
Meanwhile....
Having blundered and dawdled for two months over the Pandemic watching 15 cases going to 0 then +1.6 million, Trump acted quicker to sign an EO against Twitter than he did to finally offer sympathies to the 100,000 people who have died.

The latest twitter action last night against his post glorifying violence against US citizens will no doubt send the man baby into an apoplectic rage when he wakes up.

Iíve got the popcorn ready.
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Old 29th May 2020, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Revnetwork View Post
... Why is Trump shouting about China's cover-up when ALL countries had the same information at the same time. Some decided to take action and prepare while Trump after having initially praised Chairman Xi and China's handling of the pandemic said "it's just a little flu that will magically go away". DUMB.
Worse than dumb. With Trump it is always someone else's fault. He is a little boy in an old man's body. Tantrums should be no surprise.
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Old 29th May 2020, 11:30
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Could someone please clarify: Does the President have direct control over the National Guard? I thought that purview fell to the state governors.

Eventually though, they are part of the U.S. military are they not and thus under the CINC?
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Old 29th May 2020, 11:32
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The spat between President Trump and Twitter seems to have the potential to cause a fair bit of entertainment. Ultimately I'd guess that Twitter could just move their company out of the USA, so that it's not covered by US laws. As Twitter seems to be, at least in US law, a forum, rather than a publisher, then presumably it's no different to this place, where moderators have the absolute right to ban members if they wish. Be interesting to see what might happen if they chose to just ban the president. Even more interesting if Facebook decided to do the same.
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Old 29th May 2020, 12:42
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Seems Trump doesnt know who coined the phrase "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" and under what era and circumstance. Otherwise he wouldn't have posted it on the official White House twitter page. Stupid moron!!
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Old 29th May 2020, 12:52
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Could someone please clarify: Does the President have direct control over the National Guard? I thought that purview fell to the state governors.

Eventually though, they are part of the U.S. military are they not and thus under the CINC?
It is a bit complicated. Simplifying:

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which ended Reconstruction and the occupation of the former Confederacy by Federal troops following our Civil War, generally puts restrictions on using the Army (and later, Air Force), and the National Guard units of both, to act as Federal law enforcement within the US. But there are exceptions, both in law and in practice.

For example, the use of the 101st Airborne Division (Army), and federalizing the Arkansas National Guard, removing it from the control of the segregationist Arkansas Governor, in enforcing desegregation of the Little Rock (AR) High School in 1957 by Pres. Eisenhower. Which was done at the request of the Little Rock Mayor. And in a handful of other situations over the years, usually at the request of local/State government, including 1992 race riots.

And of course, Federal troops can back up local governments in terms of manpower in natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods, providing logistics, housing, transport, traffic control, etc. And since a 2006 revision of the Act, in cases of terror attacks.

It may be moot, and just Trump bluster, at this point, since the Minnesota Gov. has already deployed the state's National Guard to Minneapolis. Although DJT is known for jumping in and taking credit for what others do.
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