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Old 17th Jun 2020, 05:57
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Time for you to become a Libertarian.
I know what you mean, and that is always my instinct.

But I am also an individualist humanist, and not an institutionalist or corporatist (they ain't people - or they are people "ganging up" on the individual) and on the whole my experience and observation is that the Dems are more pro-personal freedoms, in the two-party system that will actually govern, than the alternative. And generally more persuadable through rational discourse, when they slip up. (But both parties have their crazies).

I have little faith in "markets" except at the most basic "I'll swap you this for that" level. The marketplace is very often an ass (when it's not being a casino, or "dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.") It may be useful, like a pick-up truck. But it shouldn't have "rights" any more than a pick-up truck - and have similar restrictions on its use where its power may damage another individual.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 07:12
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Good news from the Lawn today.
Prez figures the people working on the vaccine will have something by the end of the year.
They're great people, they developed the AIDS vaccine.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 07:13
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Well Winemaker I posed a binary situation. You are apparently clearly on the side of
to encourage rioting, destruction, and burning in the name of slogans.
which is fine. That's why we have an election in November. (Of course, in our illustrious state with its own independent 6-block enclave, your side will prevail.)

Fortunately we will have 50 separate state elections.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 13:29
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Well Winemaker I posed a binary situation. You are apparently clearly on the side of which is fine. That's why we have an election in November. (Of course, in our illustrious state with its own independent 6-block enclave, your side will prevail.)

Fortunately we will have 50 separate state elections.
I simply don't agree with your premise. It's a bullshit choice. Have you stopped beating your wife? That's a nice binary question. yes/no?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:13
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
So Brakes, you seem to have taken it upon yourself to decide which "cause" is deserving of an exemption to your own rules.
Rubbish. You don't get it, do you? Nowhere have I said I'm making an exemption. Whether people go on a rally or to a demonstration is their choice. What I find repugnant is that Trump insists on a rally, which will assemble 20,000 people in close quarters, especially in an area where infections have been going up for two weeks, and when all major sport events etc. everywhere are cancelled.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:28
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Actually I think we should encourage Trump to hold lots of rallies for all his supporters, and the sooner the better.

Darwin in action.

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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:33
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He doesn't insist on a rally.
He has to have many, especially now.
Election and ego feeding time is here again.
Be interesting to see the medical data in a couple of weeks.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:02
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Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad? View Post
Look at the reality. Our health professionals said it's ok to scream, sweat and projectile spittle in massive protests everywhere in numbers massively outnumbering Trump's proposed rally and you profess concern about spreading Covid19? Over the US Memorial day weekend, the press and the health professionals went apoplectic over the sight of groups of people partying at a pool bar that were more distant than most any large BLM protest. I think there has been 1 or 2 Covid infections from people at the lake. And you wonder why people start to ignore the slanted press and liberal health professionals.
As of Tuesday, the FDOH reported 2,783 new cases of COVID-19, as well as 55 new deaths. This is the largest jump in newly reported cases of COVID-19 since the disease was detected in the state on March 1. The new statistics bring the total number of coronavirus cases reported in Florida to 80,109, along with 2,993 total deaths. On Saturday, state health officials reported about 2,500 new cases of COVID-19, the second-highest number of newly reported cases in a single day.

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hings are going smoothly in Florida, if only you guys would just stop testing, the numbers wouldn't be going up according to the Trumpster in Chief. Since you all have such a large elderly population, I take it you would like to continue to cull the elderly herd to have less traffic congestion during the "high season." Memorial day until now represents the time period for COVID-19 to develop into new cases. Good luck going forward, stay safe at your lake, don't get too sporty and venture to a Trump indoor rally with all the hoax believers...





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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:05
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Brakes, maybe I need to simplify for you:

You find it "repugnant" that a candidate in the current election has a peaceful though enthusiastic rally and that people freely choose to attend

But you don't find it repugnant that crowds of people are out marching in the streets, and you are willing to accept the destruction that goes with it.

Got it.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:07
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Not on a lake here Turb, I referenced the stories on the Lake of the Ozarks in MO.

Try some simple reading comprehension about my personal view of crowds.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Brakes, maybe I need to simplify for you:

You find it "repugnant" that a candidate in the current election has a peaceful though enthusiastic rally and that people freely choose to attend

But you don't find it repugnant that crowds of people are out marching in the streets, and you are willing to accept the destruction that goes with it.

Got it.
If I may, I find both repugnant during this pandemic. I also find it repugnant that groups use ,what should have been peaceful protests, the opportunity to riot and loot. It absolutely lessens the message.

There is however a massive difference in gathering in large numbers to protest against what is a perceived system of systemic abuse, compared to a campaign rally. Perhaps the protestors felt that strongly about the matter that this was their personal Vietnam. Much the same as Trump avoiding STDs was his personal Vietnam. That said, Trump will only be rallying with his ardent supporters so other than using it as an ego boost, it won’t change the votes of those attending. Unless they’re in hospital or dead of course.

I notice that Trump has signed an executive order on police reform. The protests clearly had an effect. Not a chance of this happening otherwise.

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Old 17th Jun 2020, 18:38
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
I notice that Trump has signed an executive order on police reform. The protests clearly had an effect. Not a chance of this happening otherwise.
Bold statement T-stool. Knowing Trump's petulance and pettiness when it comes to insults and fights, I believe the terrible video of Floyd's death could be a bigger reason for Trump's move and due to his unwillingness to appear weak, it might have been signed earlier. Trump has done things that no Republican would have or could have done in the last 50 years by signing the Criminal Justice Reform Bill which directly affected many if not thousands in the black community. It cut back the "3-strikes" then a life sentence which was slamming them. President Clinton the Democrat signed that law. He has also pardoned several black Americans serving long sentences for drug crimes and pressured (right or wrong) another country to release a black rapper. One needs to also consider that before Covid-19, African American low unemployment was at levels never seen. Millions had jobs and a path forward for a future.
As for the real result of the protests? Hopefully some positive improvements in Police training and accountability. As for the rest of the Manifesto demands? The Youtube videos coming out regarding the behavior of some of the "disenfranchised" will reality smack the clueless little white kids.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 18:45
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And somewhat related, a priceless moment in the Progressive world.

Olympia WA Mayor supports protests (which became violent in many cases) and refused to institute a curfew which was done in most places. Her house was vandalized and she thinks she is someone special and immune to the rioters because, she cares.“I’m really trying to process this,” she told the Olympian. “It’s like domestic terrorism. It’s unfair.”
“It hurts when you’re giving so much to your community,” she added.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/progr...aign=position1

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Old 17th Jun 2020, 20:40
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Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad? View Post
And somewhat related, a priceless moment in the Progressive world.

"Olympia, Washington, Mayor Cheryl Selby has been a vocal supporter of Black Lives Matter and those protesting and rioting across the nation, yet when her own home was vandalized during the demonstrations, she called it “domestic terrorism.”

Progressive Mayor Who Supported Black Lives Matter Gets Home Vandalized During Riots, Calls It ‘Domestic Terrorism’


https://www.dailywire.com/news/progr...aign=position1
Er, no she didn't. This is what she told the Olympian, the local newspaper:
“I’m really trying to process this,” she told The Olympian over the phone Saturday. “It’s like domestic terrorism. It’s unfair.

“It hurts when you’re giving so much to your community,” she said.
There is a difference between "like" and "calls it is."

Ah, The DailyWire Ben Shapiro’s right-wing web site. "DailyWire.com has a tendency to share stories that are taken out of context or not verified", including reports on protesters digging up Confederate graves for example.

But, carry on...


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Old 17th Jun 2020, 21:16
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The Room Where It Happened

Who said "Xi, If you're listening, help me win an election"?
John Bolton's book is about to blow the Trump presidency sky high. And when it happens, our resident Trumpsters will froth at the mouth to prove to us that one of the most conservative operatives is lying or only trying to make money.
Was the Ukraine Investigation a hoax? I'd like a Republican to try answering that!
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 21:19
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3 strikes law

Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad? View Post
President Clinton the Democrat signed that law.
Yeah. Right.

The fabulously sophisticated approach to criminal justice based upon a baseball analogy was defined well before Clinton got anywhere near the White House. Stop selling the forum compete pups.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 22:51
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Brakes, maybe I need to simplify for you:

You find it "repugnant" that a candidate in the current election has a peaceful though enthusiastic rally and that people freely choose to attend

But you don't find it repugnant that crowds of people are out marching in the streets, and you are willing to accept the destruction that goes with it.

Got it.
The people demonstrating were in majority peaceful, especially those Dear Leader had removed with force so that he could get his ridicilous photo-op. That there was looting etc. I do in fact find repugnant.
Differentiation does not seem your forte.
Calling a rally knowing that it may put people at risk is an entirely different matter. Your defenses of the master are getting more and more weak.

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Old 17th Jun 2020, 23:42
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
3 strikes law



Yeah. Right.

The fabulously sophisticated approach to criminal justice based upon a baseball analogy was defined well before Clinton got anywhere near the White House. Stop selling the forum compete pups.

Law was signed in 1994. President Clinton started his term in 1993.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 23:44
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Torque,
Splitting hairs. Agreed that websites manipulate the headlines for clickbait. This headline wasn't far off from her true feelings.

Fixed my post. I honestly don't see much difference.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 00:17
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So Bolton, who was despised and viciously attacked by virtually all the media and the Democrats for perhaps the past 20 years, is now a paragon of virtue to those same critics.

Because he wrote a book with some bad stuff about Trump.
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