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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:18
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
It seems that the TV is having a field day with their images, hand wringing interpretations and selective interviews. We have let a mob scene of disgruntled voters go a far as they wanted to feed this frenzy.

Sure we allow free speech and demonstrations and this was an open congressional hearing. But where was the planning that allowed a mob with banners to occupy the whole public areas with an intent to overflow to the floor of our representatives to drive them into their protective shells?

This mob was not so big that it couldn't be controlled and preventive actions taken so why the result?

It seems that this had to be planned for by both the authorities and the mob to allow it..
DC is a federal town? Who says the security rules? That crowd was big and stirred up by POTUS. Today was certifying results. The mob and they were a mob wanted to use force and did. They are felons.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:19
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
It seems that the TV is having a field day with their images, hand wringing interpretations and selective interviews. We have let a mob scene of disgruntled voters go a far as they wanted to feed this frenzy.

Sure we allow free speech and demonstrations and this was an open congressional hearing. But where was the planning that allowed a mob with banners to occupy the whole public areas with an intent to overflow to the floor of our representatives to drive them into their protective shells?

This mob was not so big that it couldn't be controlled and preventive actions taken so why the result?

It seems that this had to be planned for by both the authorities and the mob to allow it..
Really Lom? do we really need more conspiracy theories to explain this?

Which authorities had an interest in allowing this to develop? Who gains and who loses by this if it is deliberate?

Here‘s the 9-11 headline version:

Protestors incited, DT doesn‘t allow NG to deploy until there has been serious disruption - because it is his authority and he is a disruptive wrecking asshole. That‘s it. He knows it‘s over and he is just f-ing with everyone because he respects nothing. Absolutely nothing. He is having one last hoorah for his unruly band of idiots, for whom he also has nothing but contempt, but would they know it.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:27
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
It seems that the TV is having a field day with their images, hand wringing interpretations and selective interviews. We have let a mob scene of disgruntled voters go a far as they wanted to feed this frenzy.

Sure we allow free speech and demonstrations and this was an open congressional hearing. But where was the planning that allowed a mob with banners to occupy the whole public areas with an intent to overflow to the floor of our representatives to drive them into their protective shells?

This mob was not so big that it couldn't be controlled and preventive actions taken so why the result?

It seems that this had to be planned for by both the authorities and the mob to allow it..
Capitol Police are mainly for show and to keep the lone nutcase from storming the building. Congress and individual congresspeople (maybe a few exceptions for the "leadership") aren't protected with the over-the-top security the President and VP get. Looks like once the outer perimeter was breached, the remaining force was completely inadequate to do anything other than cover the scramble for the exits.

Why this is the situation today will be a topic for the inevitable investigation. Trump has been calling for protests and more for weeks--it's not like someone shouldn't have seen this coming. Why other law enforcement resources weren't deployed in advance is going to be an interesting question.

And yes, the media is going completely over the top with their wall-to-wall coverage, but there's never been a coup attempt like this in the US.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:34
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Can’t believe I’m going to port a tweet by Piers Morgan but he’s 100% correct:


I saw video footage of Capitol Police cowardly walking back when these extremists entered the building. If they’d been anything apart from white, far right Trumpists they’d of been riddled with bullets the second they breached the front door.

This is why this situation is dangerous. Authorities know that unlike Al Qaeda these treasonous terrorists command the support of a large proportion of the US population. I’d say a lot of law enforcement and military quietly agree with their views as well. So they treat them with kid gloves.

Fox News and right wing media already saying these extremists are not as bad as the mythical Antifa because they didn’t burn down the building. And their cause (trying to overturn a stolen election) is just. GOP leaders are making very weak rebuttals basically saying “please guys we agree the election was stolen and we want you to cause chaos just not in this building OK?”.

And the worst part is by not crushing this violent uprising immediately you’ve guaranteed this cult will now dominate right wing American Politics for a generation. I thought the Trump era would end January 20th 2021, but I was wrong. This is only the beginning......
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:53
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At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention, a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.” Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:54
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I have been watching my CNN feed throughout the early morning as the events have unfolded in DC and I must say, I am fighting hard to prevent my Schadenfreude from rearing its ugly head.

Although I sympathize with my American friends and am saddened that this is occurring, I cant help but think that it’s a taste of what America has directly and indirectly inflicted on many state capitals around the world in the past 50 years.

El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Chile, Indonesia, Libya, Iraq and many many others.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:55
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A Trump was always going to run in 2024. Only question was which Trump. They have the Republican Party by the balls, as demonstrated by Cruz etc behaviour with the challenges. It is rather pathetic. Donnie can end any GOP politician with a few tweets.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:59
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When it happens in Hong Kong it’s democracy, when it happens in the US it’s terrorism.

Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
If they’d been anything apart from white, far right Trumpists they’d of been riddled with bullets the second they breached the front door.
Remember when hordes of BLM rioters were riddled with bullets as they took over state capitols and police stations? Neither
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 21:59
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"[W]hen the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American Constitution is such as to grow every day more and more encroaching. ... The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society," - John Adams, as cited by Jim Sleeper.
The key words here are "The nature of the encroachment upon the United States Constitution..."



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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:08
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Donnie can end any GOP politician with a few tweets.
Could. By going this far he has put himself out at the fringes. Sure he will still be there and boneheads will listen to him. But you can‘t run a restaurant in sewage treatment works, and the serious elements of the GOP know that the WWE fan base may be a patriotic bleating heart, but it is not the beating heart of the US. The USA is so much more than this shit
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:13
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All summed up nicely here:
"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:19
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
A Trump was always going to run in 2024. Only question was which Trump. They have the Republican Party by the balls, as demonstrated by Cruz etc behaviour with the challenges. It is rather pathetic. Donnie can end any GOP politician with a few tweets.
Tweet when he is in Jail?
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:26
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I suspect Putin, Xi and Kim Jong Un will be wetting themselves deliriously at this .
Could some one explain the significance of the South Vietnamese flag to the fanatical followers of MAGA and fellow travellers, please ?
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:32
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Originally Posted by Vzlet View Post
All summed up nicely here:
"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Correct. You should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (I assume you're employing irony rather than stupidity.)

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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:39
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CG

Not that stupidity is an entirely unused tool in my arsenal, but it's not my favorite!
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:46
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
Could some one explain the significance of the South Vietnamese flag to the fanatical followers of MAGA and fellow travellers, please ?
Anti-communist primarily (these groups believe anything to the left of Trump and the far right is communist).

There’s also a story about how the South Vietnamese would’ve defeated the North at the end of the Vietnam War if the Democrats in the US Congress hadn’t refused additional funding to be poured into the lost cause of propping up the South Vietnamese military junta. So another way to attack the Democrats.

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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:50
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Anti-communist primarily (these groups believe anything to the left of Trump and the far right is communist).

There’s also a story about how the South Vietnamese would’ve defeated the North at the end of the Vietnam War if the Democrats in the US Congress hadn’t refused additional funding to be poured into the lost cause of propping up the South Vietnamese military junta. So another way to attack the Democrats.
Many thanks. I appreciate your time
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:50
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Originally Posted by Vzlet View Post
Not that stupidity is an entirely unused tool in my arsenal, but it's not my favorite!
Touche

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Old 6th Jan 2021, 22:59
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Good onya, Donny, you have Made America a Great Disaster.

Is there ANYBODY over there who has the guts, and status, to stand in front of the Orange Moron and tell him what an idiot he is? Doing this whole destruction thing so that the Biden administration will have a horrible mess to clean up.
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 23:21
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sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long.
Quote from the ' Great Disaster ' himself after inciting insurrection, sedition and violence earlier today actually gave me my only laugh of the day.

How many blatant lies in the above tweet quote.
Hints: They outnumber the true. One is blasphemy as well.

Biden managed to get on national TV to talk to the people. Anyone seen trump?


They screwed up when deciding which vaccine development was needed more urgently. Covid-19 or trumpzombie1621
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