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Old 24th Nov 2020, 01:52
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Odds on Rudi and Jenna still being retained by Drumpf after this?

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What are the odds on Rudy ending up in prison, while Drump is playing Golf at Mar Lago?
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 02:32
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New Admin is going to have a hell of a job cleaning house getting rid of many unqualified and purely political appointees in dangerous places.

US dropped out of Open Skies Treaty today (16 days after he lost). Less Russia monitoring. The two highly specialized aircraft (OC-135B) that conducted the observation flights have been ordered 'liquidated' and whatever that involves, it is apparently ongoing now. No funding for replacement, upgraded A/C so If Biden wants to re-instate, he will need something that flies. Why the mad, last minute rush to scrap something that added to maintenance of peace? I'm sure the new folks will be able to cobble something together aircraft-wise.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 03:40
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Why the mad, last minute rush to scrap something that added to maintenance of peace?
Why do you think? "Russia, if you're listening....."
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 04:38
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It's almost officially official.
More people voted for Biden than Americans have ever voted for a president (in that convoluted electoral college way) before.
But that must be tempered by population growth I guess, so,
More people voted against trump in a new record for a candidate.

But it's not over, 56 days or so to throw more toys against the walls, more spanners (monkey wrenches) to throw in the works all for the benefit of...
well, certainly not America or Americans.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 06:38
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
It's almost officially official.
More people voted for Biden than Americans have ever voted for a president (in that convoluted electoral college way) before.
But that must be tempered by population growth I guess, so,
More people voted against trump in a new record for a candidate.
A bit more mail in vote to count in New York and Maine that'll favour Biden, so he'll end up with over 80 million and Trump about 74 mil.
In terms of total population in 2020 that's 24.2% for Biden and 22.4% for Trump.
So Biden had a greater % vote for him than any other President in recent history, even Obama in 2008 could only manage 22.7%.
Biden got a higher % than Clinton, than Reagan, than Nixon, than JFK, than Eisenhower, than FDR who could only at a maximum reach no more than 23% of the total population.

In fact Biden received the highest vote as a percentage of total population since women were granted universal suffrage in 1920.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 08:41
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
New Admin is going to have a hell of a job cleaning house getting rid of many unqualified and purely political appointees in dangerous places.
Spoke to an American chum over the weekend who has a friend who works in the DoJ. Apparently many of the good guys have left (many having basically been hounded out), being replaced by a good number of Trump yes-men. I imagine this has happened across the board.

US dropped out of Open Skies Treaty today (16 days after he lost). Less Russia monitoring. The two highly specialized aircraft (OC-135B) that conducted the observation flights have been ordered 'liquidated' and whatever that involves, it is apparently ongoing now. No funding for replacement, upgraded A/C so If Biden wants to re-instate, he will need something that flies. Why the mad, last minute rush to scrap something that added to maintenance of peace? I'm sure the new folks will be able to cobble something together aircraft-wise.
Scorched earth policy to f*ck things up for Biden. His decisions to draw down troops in Afghan and Iraq are a case in point.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 09:03
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I thought that one of the reasons that the US Constitution was worded as it is, with some rigid protections baked in, was to try and stop any one person from being able to exert too much control. The fact that Trump seems to be dismantling key functions that protect America, seemingly just to make life difficult for his political successor, seems counter to the intentions of the founding fathers, when they sought to limit Presidential power. I know that amending the US Constitution is deliberately made to be difficult, but it does seem that there may be a need to try and bring it more up to date with a world where it doesn't take a couple of weeks to get from one side of the country to the other.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 09:26
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Spoke to an American chum over the weekend who has a friend who works in the DoJ. Apparently many of the good guys have left (many having basically been hounded out), being replaced by a good number of Trump yes-men. I imagine this has happened across the board.
How will the Trump Yes-men go when the man they say Yes to is no longer in power? All the far right exists for these days is to “trigger the left” and maybe deregulation. These guys might be in for a rude wake up call when they are given actual tasks to perform to repair the country which will expose their incompetence, or their employed days may be numbered.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 09:44
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
How will the Trump Yes-men go when the man they say Yes to is no longer in power? All the far right exists for these days is to “trigger the left” and maybe deregulation. These guys might be in for a rude wake up call when they are given actual tasks to perform to repair the country which will expose their incompetence, or their employed days may be numbered.
Just clean house. Trump admin changed the law a couple of weeks back to do just that without the faff and time it normally takes.

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Old 24th Nov 2020, 09:50
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
What are the odds on Rudy ending up in prison, while Drump is playing Golf at Mar Lago?
I think they would accept a plea of diminished responsibility by reason of insanity, but I'd put money on him getting disbared...

Lawmaker appeals to NYC legal board to disbar Rudy Giuliani
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lawmaker-a...160013768.html

The representative explained that he had filed legal complaints with the Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New York, and Pennsylvania bars against Rudy Giuliani and 22 other lawyers.
Plenty of jobs at McDonalds
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 09:54
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I thought that one of the reasons that the US Constitution was worded as it is, with some rigid protections baked in, was to try and stop any one person from being able to exert too much control. The fact that Trump seems to be dismantling key functions that protect America, seemingly just to make life difficult for his political successor, seems counter to the intentions of the founding fathers, when they sought to limit Presidential power. I know that amending the US Constitution is deliberately made to be difficult, but it does seem that there may be a need to try and bring it more up to date with a world where it doesn't take a couple of weeks to get from one side of the country to the other.
VP, I will naturally defer to the cousins' knowledge of this, but it does seem to be a struggle that goes back and forth. An American friend, a few years ago, recommended a movie to me about Dick Cheney. It was a lot of him being interviewed, but it well described how he and others (Rumsfeld included) in the post Nixon years felt that the presidential powers had been seriously weakened--even emasculated. Think post Senator Church hearings.

Cheney became a tireless advocate for deeper and broader executive power. This thinking finds voice and structure in the unitary executive idea in which the POTUS has complete power over all executive function. Add in the military function as CinC. Only the DoJ and Congress reign in the previous.

We saw the most recent apotheosis of this power in GW Mark 2.0 under George W. Bush.

What the period of this back and forth swing is can be hard to determine as it is not regular. A recent article in The Atlantic revealed that 20% of Americans would prefer an unbounded authoritarian ruler while 40% would accept one with some restraints. .

My point is that the pendulum might still be swinging toward a more authoritarian POTUS than a less unrestrained one.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 10:38
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What the period of this back and forth swing is can be hard to determine as it is not regular. A recent article in The Atlantic revealed that 20% of Americans would prefer an unbounded authoritarian ruler while 40% would accept one with some restraints. .
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Hard to avoid the conclusion that the percentages were skewed as the poll was taken at a time when many people thought that authoritarian was good because the authoritarian was doing what they wanted.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 14:12
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I think Biden may have followed Voltaire's lead in his prayers

Originally Posted by Voltaire
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord make my enemies ridiculous. '

And God granted it.


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Old 24th Nov 2020, 14:35
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Originally Posted by wtsmg View Post
I hope there's a child lock on cappt's sharps drawer.
You've paid attention to his tripe?
It's cut and paste of surreal ideas from Parler.
I signed up for that platform out of sheer curiosity.
The USA is a woefully divided nation with two factions living in parallel realities. I scroll through the feed and look for a glimmer of hope with none to be found. Trump might be out but he is not going anywhere. He presides over a universe detached from reality. It's hard to find common ground when you live in different galaxies.
If the Senate remains with the Republicans expect four more years of frustration and gridlock. He has enough of a faithful base to prevent them from achieving any semblance of bipartisanship. He's got a death grip on the GOP.
Joe's tenure is toast and it's not even Jan 20th. And rest assured, 2022 is going to be a bloodbath for the Dems.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 14:48
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Originally Posted by FalseGS View Post
You've paid attention to his tripe?
It's cut and paste of surreal ideas from Parler.
I signed up for that platform out of sheer curiosity.
The USA is a woefully divided nation with two factions living in parallel realities. I scroll through the feed and look for a glimmer of hope with none to be found. Trump might be out but he is not going anywhere. He presides over a universe detached from reality. It's hard to find common ground when you live in different galaxies.
If the Senate remains with the Republicans expect four more years of frustration and gridlock. He has enough of a faithful base to prevent them from achieving any semblance of bipartisanship. He's got a death grip on the GOP.
Joe's tenure is toast and it's not even Jan 20th. And rest assured, 2022 is going to be a bloodbath for the Dems.
Yet outside of the confines of social media, life goes on. Of course the election is a topic, of course the run up to elections is divisive but it’s over except for those that the media plasters all over the TV screen.

Don’t allow yourself to build a narrative based on social media.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 16:26
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Pennsylvania has certified the election results.

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Old 24th Nov 2020, 16:51
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
VP, I will naturally defer to the cousins' knowledge of this, but it does seem to be a struggle that goes back and forth. An American friend, a few years ago, recommended a movie to me about Dick Cheney. It was a lot of him being interviewed, but it well described how he and others (Rumsfeld included) in the post Nixon years felt that the presidential powers had been seriously weakened--even emasculated. Think post Senator Church hearings.

Cheney became a tireless advocate for deeper and broader executive power. This thinking finds voice and structure in the unitary executive idea in which the POTUS has complete power over all executive function. Add in the military function as CinC. Only the DoJ and Congress reign in the previous.

We saw the most recent apotheosis of this power in GW Mark 2.0 under George W. Bush.

What the period of this back and forth swing is can be hard to determine as it is not regular. A recent article in The Atlantic revealed that 20% of Americans would prefer an unbounded authoritarian ruler while 40% would accept one with some restraints. .

My point is that the pendulum might still be swinging toward a more authoritarian POTUS than a less unrestrained one.
Partly Congress's own fault. For nearly a century (at least), and regardless of the party in power, Congress has off-loaded responsibility and power onto the Executive. Partly fecklessness - they don't want to take the blame. And partly the influence of money - with only two years between elections, Congress wastes an awful lot of time fund-raising for the next campaign.

From the conservatives' perspective this has created the "Administrative State" they despise, which can "legislate by regulation." (Although a bit less than is claimed, provided Congressional oversight is respected.)

From the liberal perspective, Congress abdicated their sole Constitutional power to declare war. Which made a certain amount of limited sense once war-by-ICBM could occur in minutes, but is now used to justify the most minor (but deadly) special ops or incursions without broad congressional approval.

If (hah!) I were to run for President, it would be on a platform of giving up a whole lot of Presidential/Executive powers that have accreted to the office and branch, and hand them back to the Congress. "Get your lazy butts in gear and do some of this governing shit yourselves, Mav!"
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 16:52
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Yet outside of the confines of social media, life goes on. Of course the election is a topic, of course the run up to elections is divisive but it’s over except for those that the media plasters all over the TV screen.

Don’t allow yourself to build a narrative based on social media.
Whoa, on the common sense, you'll have a ban if it carries on!

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Old 24th Nov 2020, 17:03
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Partly Congress's own fault. For nearly a century (at least), and regardless of the party in power, Congress has off-loaded responsibility and power onto the Executive. Partly fecklessness - they don't want to take the blame. And partly the influence of money - with only two years between elections, Congress wastes an awful lot of time fund-raising for the next campaign.

From the conservatives' perspective this has created the "Administrative State" they despise, which can "legislate by regulation." (Although a bit less than is claimed, provided Congressional oversight is respected.)

From the liberal perspective, Congress abdicated their sole Constitutional power to declare war. Which made a certain amount of limited sense once war-by-ICBM could occur in minutes, but is now used to justify the most minor (but deadly) special ops or incursions without broad congressional approval.

If (hah!) I were to run for President, it would be on a platform of giving up a whole lot of Presidential/Executive powers that have accreted to the office and branch, and hand them back to the Congress. "Get your lazy butts in gear and do some of this governing shit yourselves, Mav!"
I was quite surprised when I saw this. Congressmen 2 years and senators for 6 years. It is pretty much much common sense they aren’t going to get much done as once elected they are almost immediately back thinking of their reelection. 2 years is way to short.
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Old 24th Nov 2020, 17:37
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Biden Bump Good for 401k

The Dow Jones Industrial Average rallied on Tuesday, breaking above 30,000 for the first time
In just one day Biden’s stock market has exceeded the best Trump could do in 3.8 years.



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