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Old 6th Nov 2020, 16:50
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For Sallyann1234: since about Feb of 2017 for some of the old time GOP (see also PIF's post in re the Never Trump GOP faction)

@Doctor Cruces: indeed, one wonders why he would not advocate for getting any and all votes in for him in any way possible. I voted absentee for most of my military career (25 years) aka, by mail. The point is to get the most votes. It is a zero sum game.

@pr00ne yeah, he had the opportunity to do something positive, particularly on his campaign promises regarding blue collar manufacturing jobs, which got him some support in the Midwest back in 2016. While you could see his priority seemed to be on the economy, to outward appearances he seemed to be most comfortable in hosting a reality TV show, rather than trying to broaden his appeal/base for the 2020 run and lead a more unified nation than he found. Opportunity missed.

A note on Cindy McCain: I understand why she did what she did when she chose to endorse Joe Biden - payback is a mutha, eh Don ? -- but I believe she purposefully harmed Martha McSally's bid for the Senate seat. That disappoints me. (I made a few small donations to McSally's campaign - she's a pilot).

You can love or hate her politics, but I appreciated what McSally did when she was serving in the USAF: she took on the Sec Def and won. (Yes, she had help from a few lawyers). You might say she put her wings/oak leaves on the table. Moxy is a character trait that I like. There was certainly a lot of talk about it among those of us serving at the time, and most of the folks I talked to (mostly USAF, USMC, and USN) felt that she was in the right. (Granted, some of the USAF guys who'd served with her found her to be a pain, but such is life. Some of the people who served with me doubtless felt that way about me).
... in McSally v. Rumsfeld, a successful 2001 lawsuit against the Department of Defense, challenging the military policy that required U.S. and U.K. servicewomen stationed in Saudi Arabia to wear the body-covering when traveling off base in the country. At the time of the lawsuit McSally, as a major (O-4), was the highest ranking female fighter pilot in the U.S. Air Force. Her suit alleged "the regulations required her to send the message that she believes women are subservient to men." ... In 2002, Congress passed legislation prohibiting anyone in the military from "requiring or encouraging servicewomen to put on abayas in Saudi Arabia or to use taxpayers' money to buy them."
I am glad she stood up to that. Sorry to see she won't be returning to the Senate.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:05
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The BBC is reporting here that Joe Biden is planning to address the nation is a few hours time. Be interesting to see Trump's response, bet it won't be pretty . . .
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:09
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
VP959,

Not that I disagree with with you at all, but I do think that it is the credibility of Trump and his immediate circle that has taken the big hit and are viewed as a laughing stock, not the USA, which remains the great nation that it always has been, and deserves SO much better than it has received from the POTUS over the last 4 years. And the GOP are going to need to take a good long hard look at themselves, and reflect upon just how they allowed this to happen.
Sorry to inform you that it is the US that is the laughing stock of the world. Trump is just the icing.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:09
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
He is the dude in charge of running the country, how did he allow fraud on such a scale to happen?
You seem to misunderstand how things work over here, and rather badly. Your first clause is in fact incorrect; most of the "running of the country" is handled within the 50 states. Suggest you get a nice cup of tea, have a sit down, and then read the US Constitution from front to back. Forget everything you think you know, and forget your own land's framework. Just read the whole thing. Yeah, we actually wrote ours down (something our Limey friends can't seem to manage) and we even included provisions for changing it as such became necessary. (Which of course included Prohibition, a brilliant example of "yeah, we can all get it wrong!" and that too was changeable).
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Sorry to inform you that it is the US that is the laughing stock of the world. Trump is just the icing.
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Well they are at the moment, lets hope that changes, even if Biden wont do a trade deal with us. Not good for the world to have the US held in such disrespect by so many. The leader of the free world has to live up to the standards that they expect the rest of the world to uphold.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:19
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
You seem to misunderstand how things work over here, and rather badly. Your first clause is in fact incorrect; most of the "running of the country" is handled within the 50 states. Suggest you get a nice cup of tea, have a sit down, and then read the US Constitution from front to back. Forget everything you think you know, and forget your own land's framework. Just read the whole thing. Yeah, we actually wrote ours down (something our Limey friends can't seem to manage) and we even included provisions for changing it as such became necessary. (Which of course included Prohibition, a brilliant example of "yeah, we can all get it wrong!" and that too was changeable).
You are absolutely seething that your cult leader lost, arenít you? Hilarious.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:19
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
... even if Biden wont do a trade deal with us. Not good for the world to have the US held in such disrespect by so many.
Something for you to know: the Senate approves (or disapproves) treaties. There may be a way forward, although my crystal ball is murky vis a vis Brexit and how that all pans out. Even the Democrats now and again figure out that "it's about the economy..." so maybe all that Joe's envoys will do is drive a harder bargain.

Calvin Coolidge summed it up about a century ago:
"After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world."
I believe that's still true.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:28
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Does this look familiar?

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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:29
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You seem to misunderstand how america has been perceived since the day you elected that moronic crook at your president, and how you have tolerated and facilitated the unending stream of fraud, abuse and criminal misconduct which ensued. Suggest you get a nice cup of tea, have a sit down, and then take your heads out of your posteriors and look around you at the big wide world - a place where truth and honesty are required rather than despised, and where people who abuse women are jailed rather than applauded. But most of all take a long hard look at yourselves and how you want to be perceived. If you want to be seen a people who value criminal behaviour, fraud, mendacity and wholesale bullying then just carry on as you are. But if you have any ambition at all to be seen as normal, respectable, honourable people then you have a long journey back to righteousness.

And the first step is to admit you have a problem. Until you have done that everything else is sophistry.

PDR .
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:34
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
You seem to misunderstand how america has been perceived since the day you elected that moronic crook at your president, and how you have tolerated and facilitated the unending stream of fraud, abuse and criminal misconduct which ensued. Suggest you get a nice cup of tea, have a sit down, and then take your heads out of your posteriors and look around you at the big wide world - a place where truth and honesty are required rather than despised, and where people who abuse women are jailed rather than applauded. But most of all take a long hard look at yourselves and how you want to be perceived. If you want to be seen a people who value criminal behaviour, fraud, mendacity and wholesale bullying then just carry on as you are. But if you have any ambition at all to be seen as normal, respectable, honourable people then you have a long journey back to righteousness.

And the first step is to admit you have a problem. Until you have done that everything else is sophistry.

PDR .
Amen to that brother
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 17:52
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:02
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
You seem to misunderstand how america has been perceived since the day you elected that moronic crook at your president, and how you have tolerated and facilitated the unending stream of fraud, abuse and criminal misconduct which ensued. Suggest you get a nice cup of tea, have a sit down, and then take your heads out of your posteriors and look around you at the big wide world - a place where truth and honesty are required rather than despised, and where people who abuse women are jailed rather than applauded. But most of all take a long hard look at yourselves and how you want to be perceived. If you want to be seen a people who value criminal behaviour, fraud, mendacity and wholesale bullying then just carry on as you are. But if you have any ambition at all to be seen as normal, respectable, honourable people then you have a long journey back to righteousness.

And the first step is to admit you have a problem. Until you have done that everything else is sophistry.

PDR .
Well, somebody had to say it. Well done Sir.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
After all, the chief business of the American people is business.
Yep, and that is where America Inc's problems lie!
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:22
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PDR .
I note your location, and your nation's continued slide into weakness and irrelevance. Yet there you sit, unable to do bloody eff all, kvetching about others.
Enjoy your jealousy little one, but don't think that it's a good look.
It isn't.
PS: you still do not understand how our system works. It is built to be able to survive pretty much anyone in that office, now that we've limited the White House to two terms via Constitutional amendment, and the original concept of separation of powers (avoiding putting to much power into to few hands) - while under threat since about FDR's time - remains in place. our system is built to be messy and full of opposition and argument. It's working, still, 200+ years later. There are days that I wish we'd not discarded the "whomever gets the second most votes is VP" which is how the first Presidential election worked out. "President Reagan, here's your VP, Jimmy Carter." Oh well, we didn't keep it. So it goes.

@Orange: you misunderstand. Ike understood this, but you seem not to get it.
Without economic power, there is little, or modest, support to any other power basis.
Leverage: it's a thing. (You can't make a deal if you have nothing to offer).
The Chinese get it, which does not bode well for your future. When and if the day comes that the Enlightenment based hegemon is no more (the experiment in self-government remains that, an experiment, and we certainly have the capacity to self destruct) you'll have nobody to turn to.
There's no 'life line'
There's no 'phone a friend'

You might want to ask a certain Mr Churchill how handy that was in his day. Or David Lloyd George.

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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:26
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I see Lindsey Graham has donated $500k to the Presidentís legal challenge. You know what they say about a fool and his money being easily parted...

But it made me think... are USAF wages really that good he can afford that? And Senator wages as good as that he can spaff that amount up the wall?!
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
I note your location, as is you your nation's continued slide into weakness and irrelevance. Yet there you sit, unable to do bloody eff all, kvetching about others.
Enjoy your jealousy little one, but don't think that it's a good look.
It isn't.
It'll get better, flower.

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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:33
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I see Lindsey Graham has donated $500k to the Presidentís legal challenge. You know what they say about a fool and his money being easily parted...
Proper ironic, since he used Fox News as a platform to LITERALLY beg for money!

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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:45
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Trump said if he lost the election then he would leave the country. Bi den. 🙋‍♂️
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:48
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He needs to go quietly:

"Nellie the elephant packed her trunk
And said goodbye to the circus
Off she went with a trumpety trump
Trump trump trump
Now Nellie the elephant packed her trunk
And trundled off to the jungle
Off she went with a trumpety trump
Trump trump trump"
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 18:49
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It'll get better, flower.
You remain willfully ignorant, and rude. Never owned a maga hat.
(The one I most frequently wear these days says on the front USS George Washington CVN 73)
When your IQ hits 50, sell.
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