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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 17:36
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Trump has given up that wall, now focusing on a wall around the White House. It is reminding me of Estrada being ousted in the Philippines, although that was fairly peaceful.
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You and Trump are quite similar. You both spout lies and gibberish. Work on the border continues despite your belief otherwise there Donald junior.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 17:38
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
So the difference between

-corporations owning an internet platform, and controlling the speech thereon
-corporations owning a printing press and delivery trucks, and controlling the speech therein
-corporations owning TV channels, and controlling the speech thereon

....is what, exactly?

I've never seen a newspaper that was only unedited "letters to the editor." They all control and edit their content. And one of the points of SCOTUS in ruling on Citizens United was that the Courts are not allowed to pick-and-choose among corporations. What Fox News and the Washington Examiner can do, FB and Twitter can do.

Pop quiz - which does the First Amendment say?:

A - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...
B - Corporations shall make no rules respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press....

The answer is not B - the Constitution is soley about limits placed on Government.

Now, there may be anti-trust considerations if one corporation gets a monopoly on anything. But "anti-trust" is a progressive policy to limit free-market capitalism. You're just unhappy because free-market capitalism isn't as conservative in outlook as it used to be.
You really don't know or just trolling? Traditional media like TV and print are regulated and responsibly held liable for what is disseminated, that is why they have publishers and editors. Internet giants have been granted immunity from content published on their platforms, as such they decided it's their duty to edit and restrict (throttle re-tweets) any political content they might not agree with, that's about to change but I'm sure you knew all this.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 17:40
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I think fivethirtyeight.com is a very good resource to follow election trends, particularly the "snake chart" which shows how various state electoral college votes are likely to go:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...t/?cid=rrpromo


According to our forecast, Pennsylvania is the most likely tipping-point state, and a lot of Biden’s chances in the Electoral College [20 votes] hinge on what happens in Pennsylvania. He leads Trump there by about 5 points in our polling average, but it’s not as large a margin as Biden might like.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 17:48
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Fixed for you Per

CG
Much obliged.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 17:50
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Originally Posted by cappt View Post
Being a mariner you would be able to look at the map and reason correct?
Nah, not me. Not much to see from the engine room.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 18:17
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Trump's going to "win", pretty much whatever the outcome, unless there is a landslide for Biden.
I agree VP. Trump has been making patent that this is his plan. Both sides have apparently already deployed fleets of lawyers to contest the election, but Trump has been, for months, broadcasting his view that there is no scenario in which Biden "legitimately" can win. He has thoroughly ploughed this ground and it is now fertile for his evening of 3 Nov pronouncement/announcement that he is the victor.

Well, in 24 hours it starts to unfold so we shall soon see.

I noticed that in these last rallies Trump is talking about Hillary's emails. Now that's a current issue!
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 18:18
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Well it was only barely burnt to the ground.
Picky, picky, picky...

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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 18:29
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Originally Posted by cappt View Post
Being a mariner you would be able to look at the map and reason correct?
To be fair, when you get past all the BS, Trump has actually only built 15 miles of NEW fence/barricade/"wall".

Before Trump started his initiative to "build the wall" (and get Mexico to pay for it) there was ~639 miles of "barrier" along the border. Now, as of October 2020, there is ~654 miles of fence/barricade/"wall", (according to US Customs and Border Protection). The length of the border between the US and Mexico is ~2,000 miles, so when Trump came into office about 32% of the border had some sort of barrier along it, now about 32.7% of the border has some sort of barrier along it.

The full breakdown, from the above source, is:

15 miles of new barrier have been erected, where no barrier existed before.
350 miles of existing secondary barrier has been replaced.
221 miles of new primary or secondary barrier is under construction.
157 miles of new barrier is at the pre-construction phase.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 19:11
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Good luck America.

I hope the elections are free of foreign interference unlike the countries America has fiddled with in the past:

El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile, Haiti, Cuba, Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, Philipines, Vietnam, Russia, Georgia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Italy, Greece, Romania, Turkey, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan Algeria, Niger, chad, Sudan, Somalia………
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 19:53
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
Good luck America.

I hope the elections are free of foreign interference unlike the countries America has fiddled with in the past:

El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile, Haiti, Cuba, Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, Philipines, Vietnam, Russia, Georgia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Italy, Greece, Romania, Turkey, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan Algeria, Niger, chad, Sudan, Somalia………
Chad- I remember that one- it's in Florida I believe?

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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 20:24
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
To be fair, when you get past all the BS, Trump has actually only built 15 miles of NEW fence/barricade/"wall".

Before Trump started his initiative to "build the wall" (and get Mexico to pay for it) there was ~639 miles of "barrier" along the border. Now, as of October 2020, there is ~654 miles of fence/barricade/"wall", (according to US Customs and Border Protection). The length of the border between the US and Mexico is ~2,000 miles, so when Trump came into office about 32% of the border had some sort of barrier along it, now about 32.7% of the border has some sort of barrier along it.

The full breakdown, from the above source, is:

15 miles of new barrier have been erected, where no barrier existed before.
350 miles of existing secondary barrier has been replaced.
221 miles of new primary or secondary barrier is under construction.
157 miles of new barrier is at the pre-construction phase.
You expect a project of that magnitude with courts and politicians periodically affecting the timeline is a quick project? I live quite close to the border, I’ve seen the difference between the new and old, a world of difference.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 20:29
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
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I hope the elections are free of foreign interference unlike the countries America has fiddled with in the past:
You mean you hope the elections are free of American interference? Giving the GOP are lining up to disqualify mail in ballots after polling day, disqualify drive through polling place ballots, disqualify mail ballots for incorrect signatures, openly stating they want to announce the winner who’s ahead on election night with uncounted votes outstanding? I’d say America is openly fiddling with its own election right now.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 20:34
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Any more than many could describe the policies Trump actually implemented in the last four years, or plans for the next four.

But people get the leaders they deserve.

Good luck.
Still wondering what happened to Trump’s plan to “repeal and replace Obamacare” that he promised so strongly? Considering healthcare is a major issue to voters I would think they’d care about his (non) implementation of this strong “promise”?:

2016: The Campaign Trail

Trump tweeted in February that he would immediately repeal and replace Obamacare and that his plan would save money and result in better health care.

By March, a blueprint, “Healthcare Reform to Make America Great Again,” was posted on his campaign website. It echoed popular GOP talking points but was skimpy on details.

During his speech accepting the Republican nomination in July, Trump again promised to repeal Obamacare and alluded to ways his replacement would be better. And, by October, Trump promised that within his first 100 days in office he would repeal and replace Obamacare. During his final week of campaigning, he suggested asking Congress to come in for a special session to repeal the health care law quickly
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 20:36
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
You expect a project of that magnitude with courts and politicians periodically affecting the timeline is a quick project? I live quite close to the border, I’ve seen the difference between the new and old, a world of difference.
No, not at all. I do expect the leader of the free world to be honest about what he has, or has not, actually achieved, though, as does the rest of the world that is impacted by his actions. The issue is one of honesty and probity, sadly, these are qualities that are notably absent from many elected world leaders.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 20:55
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Perhaps some law and order remains after all.

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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 21:07
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Originally Posted by wtsmg View Post
Perhaps some law and order remains after all.
However he did order the ballots to be segregated so a future appeal to a Federal Appeals Court or the Supreme Court can toss them out.

The plaintiffs intend to appeal.

This isn’t over yet, and I think the ultimate GOP plan is to invalidate these votes (along with Mail in ballots in places like Pennsylvania) after Election Day so there’s zero chance for any of the voters who had their ballots disqualified to recast them.

Pure voter suppression.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 21:15
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Freedum!!111!!!

What a joke.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 21:43
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In the United States, most people get health insurance via their employers.

Given a record number of people unemployed due to Covid-19, it mean s a record number of people have lost any form of health insurance.

Before you blame all of the job loss on lockdowns, which we haven't really done, keep in mind that many people are just not going out in public they way that they used to, so the companies their money used to support are going bankrupt.

For example, many clothing companies have gone bankrupt because people are not shopping for new clothes.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 21:45
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
No, not at all. I do expect the leader of the free world to be honest about what he has, or has not, actually achieved, though, as does the rest of the world that is impacted by his actions. The issue is one of honesty and probity, sadly, these are qualities that are notably absent from many elected world leaders.
The old barrier wasn’t fit for purpose, the barrier is new that replaced it.

It’s a bit over the top to say the rest of the world is impacted by how the distance is accounted for.
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Old 2nd Nov 2020, 21:47
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For me, the best thing that can happen is that Biden wins. Then the Republican party will have to reset and hopefully moderates or people who can actually work with the other side in a bipartisan fashion and actually get things done will retake the party, forcing the right wing out into the fringed and off the airwaves. Then this leadership can run on a message of unity and said ability to get things done and retake the White House in four years.....

If Trump wins, the circus continues, and his replacement as Republican nominee will be a carbon copy, maybe even one of his kids. Meanwhile the hard left will have taken over the Dems, on the basis that the center failed to beat their Anti-Christ. Thus these lefty loonies who say anyone who voted Republican is a racist / homophobe / sexist/ Nazi / insert minority hater and right wing hysterical oxygen thieves who say anyone voting Dem is a Communist / heathen / looter/ criminal / baby killer / traitor dominate the agenda for the next decade, and the division and misery continues.
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