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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 18:01
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
We got it. You hate cops. You hate Yanks. You hate Yank Cops.
Here's an idea: get a life in the UK, where you live.

I thought he was only pointing out there seems to be a bit of a problem in some places. Saying too many innocent people are being killed doesn't make everyone anti-cop Wolf.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 19:17
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I cannot get my head around looting your local shops, the same shops the same people will bitch about closing, due to being put out of business by the looting.

As for the list of clips, Yes the police have to be held accountable, but then again so have the public Involved,

The police vehicles were just trying to remove themselves from the growing crowds and the threat to both sides, they reminded me of what could happen and that was the two plain clothes soldiers who died when the drove into the middle of a funeral in NI. Guns were drawn warning shot were fired and sadly deaths occurred.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 20:49
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900 examples of what you don't like about Law Enforcement dealing with massive riots and out of control protests that have turned violent....and working to restore peace.

Houston Cop rides horse over woman is the twitter post you offered....that PPRuNe will not let me link.

You seem to see only what you want to see.

There are those present who are there to commit violent acts....and that is what causes the problem.

Did you notice the Red Fire Extinguisher looking pressurized device....and who retrieved it?

Look for the white dude with the black pony tail wearing a back pack.....what is he doing with a can of Bear Spray or a Fire Extinguisher at a protest.


It was not the Police.

Now why would anyone bring something like that to a peaceful demonstration?


It is the video from your own post....of course you vetted it for content before you used it to portray the evil Police Officer.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Boudreaux Bob View Post
Did you notice the Red Fire Extinguisher looking pressurized device....and who retrieved it?

Look for the white dude with the black pony tail wearing a back pack.....what is he doing with a can of Bear Spray or a Fire Extinguisher at a protest.
Not sure where there's any "bear spray", but by "fire extinguisher" I'm guessing you mean this plastic bottle of coke zero (red label, black cap):



You only hurt trump's already collapsing case by making stuff up, you know,

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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 21:41
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"You seem to see only what you want to see."

Christ the irony.

The best you can come up with with regards to a quiet, peaceful protester, a young lady standing on the pavement holding a sign and otherwise as quiet as a mouse, being trampled needlessly by a horse, is a third party afterwards threw an object at the aggressor that looks to me like a small fire extinguisher.

If we're going to play this silly game of irrelevant deflection and whataboutism then, having seen it happen in several videos over the last few days, my first guess is that protesters are carrying them to extinguish the incendiary component of tear gas canisters.

But it's by the by.

I really don't give a shit that someone threw an object after a person was aggressively trampled by a horse mounted police officer. I give a shit about the assault on the young lady that triggered the crowd reaction.

Your take on this is very peculiar. As have your posts been in recent days. Keep licking the boot.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 21:46
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
I thought he was only pointing out there seems to be a bit of a problem in some places. Saying too many innocent people are being killed doesn't make everyone anti-cop Wolf.
(1) I beg to differ with you, all he's doing is engaging in his little pet hobby of Yank Bashing.
(2) I suggest that you pay a bit of attention to that posters trollish posting history - I have.
I thank you, however, for your even tempered post. It's appreciated.

I have an idea about this protest season:
The bread and circuses have temporarily dried up.
There are no sports.
Unemployment has spiked. (one hopes that's temporary, but a lot of people are out of work, and got hit in the wallet).
Plenty of people with time on their hands, frustrated by that and frustrated by this COVID mess, and now they have something to vent their frustrations on.
While I hear some rumors about people deliberately agitating to increase the level of violence, I'll not comment further on that.
Not enough facts that I am confident in.
But remember, that kind of activity also happened here around 50 years ago (sixties and early seventies, I remember that well). Weathermen, SDS, et al.
So certainly it can happen here again.

I get the protests in Minneapolis. I get them turning ugly. Not a simple error but a gross error - a fatal error - in cops dealing with a citizen.

What I don't get is something I heard in comments from the Atlanta mayor on this explosion of violence a few days ago: why are people in Atlanta looting shops in Atlanta over that incident in Minneapolis?
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:03
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
(1) I beg to differ with you, all he's doing is engaging in his little pet hobby of Yank Bashing.
(2) I suggest that you pay a bit of attention to that posters trollish posting history - I have.
I thank you, however, for your even tempered post. It's appreciated.
So you don't care what was said, only the person who said it. Playing the man rather than the ball is a rather smelly tactic at the best of times, but in the current situation is little short of obscene.

No wonder you had to spend years making up stories about the 911 attacks just to find someone to talk to.

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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:07
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No wonder you had to spend years making up stories about the 911 attacks just to find someone to talk to.
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That makes you a liar as well.
I have never made up stories about 9-11 attacks: who the hell do you think you are talking to?
Go find a real conspiracy theorist and give them a load of your rubbish.
You dialed the wrong number, mister.
I also suggest that you go to the UK hamsterwheels and find every post I've made since about 2009. Go ahead. find them.
I think it's between 10 and 20; I now and again drop to ask something about UK politics that crops up in my reading and I'd like a take from a PPRuNer who's in the middle of it.
What I don't do is drop in and troll the membership.
How about you follow my example?
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
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Both a troll and a now shown to be a liar.
I really haven't the foggiest what you're on about.

Ordinarily I would find the narcissism required to scream down relevant criticism of authoritarian abuse somewhat amusing, in a bizarro world kind of way. Screaming land of the free in one ear while screaming respect my authoritah in the other.

But this isn't amusing. I'm not trolling. A fella died yesterday, shot by police. The officer involved was later that night caught on social media mocking protesters. The morally bankrupt lunatic in charge will cause more deaths in the coming days. It says a lot to me about you that your first reaction to someone posting video evidence of extremely worrying, uncomfortable rights abuses by alleged men of the law is get a life trolling Brit. It really says a lot about your ego, delusional world view of exceptionalism and mental gymnastics.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:18
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I really haven't the foggiest what you're on about..
Lack of self awareness is noted.
You may find this metric of interest.
Note that it lacks context.
But it has some interesting numbers in it.


Raw numbers, no context.

What little I know from my LE amigos: every single time an officer fires his weapon, or her weapon, in the line of duty it gets looked into. It gets investigated. The results tend to inform how much investigation goes on.
If it hits a citizen (fatal or not) that gets extra attention from IA.
Sometimes charges are filed.
That depends on the facts and what was going on. Each case has to be taken on its merits.
We have a thing here called due process. You can look it up. Even cops have those rights. Really. You can look it up.

If it's a fatal shoot, it goes on a lot longer and in most metropolitan PD's, the officer is taken off the beat for a while as the shoot gets looked into.
Some are within the ROE, and some are not.
It is the latter that concerns both the citizen and the police chiefs, and mayors, and a hell of a lot of people.

So far, all of my LE amigos who have taken a look at that event in Minneapolis responded with a pretty strong negative reaction. They know how an arrest is supposed to go down, and that isn't it.

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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:28
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What's your point in the roll call of states?

if you mess with a dog you might get bit?

Some of us are smart enough to stay home and not jump over the fence to bait the guard dogs
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:30
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I am fundamentally opposed to a man like Trump. The history books will reflect on him with embarrassment, of that I am sure.

That point of view means I can only be a troll.

Pompous adherence to the cult is noted.

I am familiar with that graphic, role playing libertarians are falling over themselves to post it on twitter.

USA Census July 2019 figures.

Whites in US: 251.1M
Blacks in US: 43.9M

From your table -


Whites killed in 2020: 42
Blacks killed in 2020: 31

Odds White: .000017%
Odds Black: .000071%

It certainly is of interest. Blacks are 4.18x more likely to be killed by the police.

Not that it's a competition.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
So far, all of my LE amigos who have taken a look at that event in Minneapolis responded with a pretty strong negative reaction. They know how an arrest is supposed to go down, and that isn't it.
Good. The ones who don't share that philosophy must be weeded out before they go on to kill.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
Lack of self awareness is noted.
You may find this metric of interest.
Note that it lacks context.
But it has some interesting numbers in it.


Raw numbers, no context.

What little I know from my LE amigos: every single time an officer fires his weapon, or her weapon, in the line of duty it gets looked into. It gets investigated. The results tend to inform how much investigation goes on.
If it hits a citizen (fatal or not) that gets extra attention from IA.
Sometimes charges are filed.
That depends on the facts and what was going on. Each case has to be taken on its merits.
We have a thing here called due process. You can look it up. Even cops have those rights. Really. You can look it up.

If it's a fatal shoot, it goes on a lot longer and in most metropolitan PD's, the officer is taken off the beat for a while as the shoot gets looked into.
Some are within the ROE, and some are not.
It is the latter that concerns both the citizen and the police chiefs, and mayors, and a hell of a lot of people.

So far, all of my LE amigos who have taken a look at that event in Minneapolis responded with a pretty strong negative reaction. They know how an arrest is supposed to go down, and that isn't it.
Interesting numbers indeed. Yet there seems to be little concern about addressing the underlying issues that are causing US police to kill around 1000 of their compatriots every year. You think any national leader worth a cent would be trying to fix it, not trying to get the numbers even higher!
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:34
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
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What's your point in the roll call of states?

if you mess with a dog you might get bit?

Some of us are smart enough to stay home and not jump over the fence to bait the guard dogs
Sounds like government tyranny to me, trampling on article 11. I was under the impression some of your compatriots get a little uppity about that sort of thing. Strange indeed how the attitude changes when, to quote an infamous supporter of the cult, it's the right people who are being hurt.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 22:53
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post

One thing in those figures that doesn't make sense to me.
There are specific categories for white, black, Hispanic and "other" so why the need for a category of "unknown"?
If you are not white, not black and not Hispanic, you must then by default be an "other".
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 23:04
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One thing in those figures that doesn't make sense to me.
There are specific categories for white, black, Hispanic and "other" so why the need for a category of "unknown"?
If you are not white, not black and not Hispanic, you must then by default be an "other".
In South Africa you had Coloured and Honorary Whites, and then of course Asians.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
How about you follow my example?
I could never follow your example. I could never:
1. Promote conspiracy theories with patently false facts and falacious arguments
2. Try to rationalise events by excusing murder to prop up the obviously corrupt leadership of a country which is on the path to despotism and military-enforced dictatorship.
3. Address things I don't like by trying to stifle free speech just because I didn't like what was being said.

So no, I'm afraid I can't follow you.

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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 23:42
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Just saw the clip of the female reporter from Oz being knocked from her pins whilst reporting near the White House.

Seems pretty serious when your constabulary tramples underfoot someone from Oz. Going to be uncomfortable for a moment when the POTUS calls the Australian PM to implore him to get tougher on China...
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