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Old 7th Jun 2020, 19:15
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 19:45
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... the virus affects brain function.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 19:46
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I agree that criminal damage is never ok, but against that Iím amazed that the Colston statue hasnít been removed before now. There are many statues of people who held views, and behaved, by what by 21st century standards would regard as abhorrent,
Completely missing the point. The statues are history, our history, unchangeable and undeniable. They are not only, or even, glorifying the people but are due reminders too. The present generations have no business or right to try and hide our history and the older one is the greater the ownership. Why do a bunch of students who have yet to complete their education come to the conclusion that violence and a deafness to all other points of view is the way ahead? That is the Marxist way, are they motivated by, possibly even instructed by, Marxism? Trying to destroy or modify history is reminiscent of some previous fascist regimes and has no place in our country.
It is verging on stupidity to try to compare with and then act on, in the 21st century, the happenings of the 17th/18th/19th centuries which were based on conditions pertaining then that don't pertain now.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 19:56
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Completely missing the point. The statues are history, our history, unchangeable and undeniable. They are not only, or even, glorifying the people but are due reminders too. The present generations have no business or right to try and hide our history and the older one is the greater the ownership. Why do a bunch of students who have yet to complete their education come to the conclusion that violence and a deafness to all other points of view is the way ahead? That is the Marxist way, are they motivated by, possibly even instructed by, Marxism? Trying to destroy or modify history is reminiscent of some previous fascist regimes and has no place in our country.
It is verging on stupidity to try to compare with and then act on, in the 21st century, the happenings of the 17th/18th/19th centuries which were based on conditions pertaining then that don't pertain now.
I totally agree with this. For what it's worth.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 20:18
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I totally agree with this. For what it's worth.
If what has and is happening in the US is any Indicator, you had better get used to it.

Renaming Army bases over here is next on the agenda.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 20:19
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Wonder what your thoughts were when the Iraqis toppled the Saddam statue...
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 20:21
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This is a perfect illustration of the brain-dead people that are organising many of these protests. Pretty much everyone knows that Brighton, of all the towns in the UK, is probably THE most diverse and accepting community we have. There's a very good reason that so many diverse groups of people choose to live there, and that's precisely because they are made to feel welcome by all.

I remain convinced that the organisers of these protests don't give a shit about BLM, all they wish to do is protest against anything and everything that, in their bigoted tiny minds, might possibly be perceived as some form of authority.

I sincerely hope that someone has the testicular fortitude to call them out for the unnecessary illnesses and deaths their entirely selfish actions will undoubtedly cause.
It's another one of these typical jobless idiots who think everything should be handed to them on a plate and if not society should do it for them! Sadly these days we are getting more and more soft on this due to the fear of being labelled a 'racist'. From what i've seen it seems to be a mix of young white people and native blacks.

Now don't get me wrong equality is a right that everyone should have, and I have to be very careful in how I put then but, I just find it so strange that so many people from other countries come here because of our "good hearted nature" yet the second someone is wrongly shot or arrested by the police suddenly the whole country is branded 'racist'. We are no way near as bad a America, and quite frankly there are worst places to be Syria or North Korea. Every country is going to have it's faults and people have a racist tone and maybe things do need to change but this is not the way to do it.

Sadly the only thing these protests will be remembered for is the violence and damage caused. What we need now is the government to grow some balls, get tough and end these protests in a safest possible way, maybe those water cannon would have been useful after all.
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Wonder what your thoughts were when the Iraqis toppled the Saddam statue...
Thats war.
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The difference his statue was taken down at the end of his rule, the statue in Bristol has been there for 120 years without interference and was taken down by a bunch of yobs going against BRITISH laws, in BRITAIN. As a citizen of the United Kingdom you must respect and abide by these rules.

There are over 500,000 people in Bristol, only 11,000 signed a petition to remove it, what right do those few hundred protestors have to remove and destroy a statue?
I should also point out that the taxpayer will now have to pay to have that statue fished out and put back.
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Wonder what your thoughts were when the Iraqis toppled the Saddam statue...
I'm truly sorry you see any parallel in these issues. Three years ago I witnessed the removal of statues of Cecil Rhodes at UCT and never considered the same could ever apply to the UK. Seems I was wrong.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 21:25
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Cause and effect? Perhaps you could pose that question the other way around.

If I had been born into a 'cesspool of racism and hatred' , I would very likely have listened to the far left who were the only ones offering a way out. I would very likely have voted for them.

And when I found as happens everywhere, that the extreme left failed to improve matters, I would very likely take to the streets as my only remaining way of protest.

Then when I found that my street protests were joined by extremists bent upon anarchy and destruction, and met with tear gas and baton charges, I would very likely have turned violent too.

It's not hard to understand.
Sally, my personally experiences tell a different story. Overt racism is rampant on both the left and right ends of the political spectrum (and rather uncommon near the middle). What's different between the left and right is that the far right racism is consistently critizied and condemned, racism on the far left is tolerated. Racism on the left is everything from the soft racism of low expectations (the most obvious one being affirmative action), to laws that help prevent upward mobility of minorities (latest example is the left's war on the gig economy) to overt antisemitism and the like. If you want to see overt racism from the left, look at what they say about blacks and other 'people of color' that disagree with them politically.
The political left has taken the black vote for granted for decades (witness Joe Biden's recent "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black!" comment), while doing precious little to actually help them.
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tdracer, I think we are agreeing that the extreme left do not actually help the poor of any colo(u)r, but they do naturally attract their votes. Plenty of examples around the world, not just in the US.

But my first point was to disagree with your suggestion that the violence occurs because they are in left-wing areas. Rather, it's the other way round. The left-wingers are attracted to areas of poverty and lack of opportunity because that is where they are more likely to gain power. Ask yourself, which was there first?
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 22:07
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Hopefully the statue will be recovered and restored to its plinth, ironic that idiot trying to burn the flag Is wearing red white and blue, hopefully he will have various charges thrown at him starting with arson.

No doubt all the thick and stupid will post their phone shots and videos of the statues destruction on line allowing the police to recognise, arrest and charge them.
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The difference his statue was taken down at the end of his rule, the statue in Bristol has been there for 120 years without interference and was taken down by a bunch of yobs going against BRITISH laws, in BRITAIN. As a citizen of the United Kingdom you must respect and abide by these rules.

There are over 500,000 people in Bristol, only 11,000 signed a petition to remove it, what right do those few hundred protestors have to remove and destroy a statue?
I should also point out that the taxpayer will now have to pay to have that statue fished out and put back.

and for that 9ne reason it needs to be restored.
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Old 8th Jun 2020, 00:18
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The black population, instead of destroying the statue, should instead be garlanding it with flowers. Had it not been for the slave trade (and keep in mind it was their own people that sold their fore-fathers into slavery).. they would now be living in Africa, likely to be in desperate poverty. If any would like to emigrate there I doubt if many of us would object.
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Old 8th Jun 2020, 01:15
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For the last three months, anyone who questioned the wisdom of the Covid lockdown was "anti-science". Now the experts who told us to stay at home are saying that going out to protest is just fine, but only if you protest the right thing:



I really wish I was making this up (and I'm rather ashamed that some of these 'health experts' are at the University of Washington).
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Originally Posted by MungoP View Post
The black population, instead of destroying the statue, should instead be garlanding it with flowers. Had it not been for the slave trade (and keep in mind it was their own people that sold their fore-fathers into slavery).. they would now be living in Africa, likely to be in desperate poverty. If any would like to emigrate there I doubt if many of us would object
Seriously?

Whether it was people of a similar race who sold them into slavery or they were kidnapped by slave traders is irrelevant. They were human beings who became pieces of property, bought and sold like pieces of household furniture. Are you honestly saying they should have been grateful? And are you saying the majority of the public (majority white people I guess) in the US would support all African Americans moving back to Africa? Is that what youíre saying?

Iím now thinking the BLM movement might have bigger issues to deal than just police brutality...
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And are you saying the majority of the public (majority white people I guess) in the US would support all African Americans moving back to Africa?
What a novel idea.
If you do not like the place or situation you are in, as a lot of people in Europe did after WW2, why not move to a place where you feel that you belong or you can start a new like?
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