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Old 19th Jul 2020, 10:14
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It would be unfair to judge a 19th Century man by 21st Century principles.
Then phew! No burning witches at the stake any more .... just send them to an exorcist or a psychiatric establishment.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 05:14
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This whole BLM Woke thing is gradually turning me into a racist, WTF do they think "they" are trying to tell the rest of us what to do, or think ? I reserve the right to call my dog anything I like, or buy a Gilogwlo doll if I want to. "They" can do what they like so long as they don't interfere with my life, but it is becoming more and more apparent that they are. Stuff 'em.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 06:11
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Just run up that Ally flag and you can be a proud member of LGBTTQQIAAP.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 06:15
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Originally Posted by ExSp33db1rd View Post
This whole BLM Woke thing is gradually turning me into a racist, WTF do they think "they" are trying to tell the rest of us what to do, or think ? I reserve the right to call my dog anything I like, or buy a Gilogwlo doll if I want to. "They" can do what they like so long as they don't interfere with my life, but it is becoming more and more apparent that they are. Stuff 'em.
You are attacking a straw man and probably were already a bit racist, no? The pointless tokenism about renaming stuff is now being used as a stick to beat the BLM movement with. Talk to actual activists on the ground and you'll see this is not what it is about at all. What a sad thread this is.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 06:46
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Originally Posted by vlieger View Post
You are attacking a straw man and probably were already a bit racist, no? The pointless tokenism about renaming stuff is now being used as a stick to beat the BLM movement with. Talk to actual activists on the ground and you'll see this is not what it is about at all. What a sad thread this is.
Looks like they're not getting their point across then, doesn't it? As for your casual use of the racist card, I can see why Speedbird might feel frustrated by the BLM movement.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 06:55
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Originally Posted by vlieger View Post
You are attacking a straw man and probably were already a bit racist, no? The pointless tokenism about renaming stuff is now being used as a stick to beat the BLM movement with. Talk to actual activists on the ground and you'll see this is not what it is about at all. What a sad thread this is.
This is a copy of a Tweet from a journalist who appeared on Good morning Britain.

Journalist @atehjewel says it is no longer acceptable not to be racist, people have to be actively anti-racist.

She says the fact some of @LewisHamilton's fellow F1 drivers didn't take the knee is 'hugely problematic.
'

This is now BLM telling people how they should feel. This is not how a free society works.

So the millions of people who live their lives obeying the laws of the land, but don't 'take the knee' are problematic?
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 07:32
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BLM vs the World

My guess is that, provided you donít live your life in the public eye, BLM probably arenít telling you to do very much.

I hear everything that people are saying about the unnecessary proliferation of cancel culture (Iím not starting the dogís grave chat again) but avoiding social media (Pprune is my only vice) and not allowing yourself to get too excited by what you read in the news means that your life will probably change very little.

I think I must be a Benjamin Button type phenomenon. Instead of becoming more grumpy and Conservative as I age I actually find myself mellowing a lot more and adopting more of a Ďlive and let liveí mentality.

BV
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 07:55
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Originally Posted by vlieger View Post
You are attacking a straw man and probably were already a bit racist, no? The pointless tokenism about renaming stuff is now being used as a stick to beat the BLM movement with. Talk to actual activists on the ground and you'll see this is not what it is about at all. What a sad thread this is.
We know what its about - https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
But don't you think it's "highlighting differences" - everyone now seems to be dropped into a classification?
The classifications are getting smaller and smaller, but if you're a white heterosexual male you seem to be automatically vilified as a racist unless you show the taking the knee subjugation.
Hamilton can make all the virtual signal noises he wants, but he is proof that regardless of skin colour anyone can make it - with the right support and encouragement.

In the UK, Chinese and Indians are the highest earners. They have strong work ethic and closely bonded family structures. Maybe the black community should take a hard look at themselves and not just blame whitey.

As for de-funding the police and "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable" how did that work out in Seattle? Wasn't pretty was it? And the evidence suggest (history) that anarchy is generally not very productive.

As such I DO NOT SUPPORT the BLM movement. Its like Halloween, another bleeding US import we do not need.

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Old 21st Jul 2020, 08:30
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As such I DO NOT SUPPORT the BLM movement. Its like Halloween, another bleeding US import we do not need.
The BLM movement exist because black lives don't seem to matter.

Concerns for black lives goes back before the USA was founded.

A bit like Halloween. An import?
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 08:31
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Applies equally here in the UK...

https://streetwiseprofessor.com/the-...rical-context/

The Emancipation Memorial - A Coda about Historical Context.


......About these events, and the direct connection between them and the statue in Washington, the iconoclasts are both ignorant and apathetic–they don’t know, and they don’t care. Yet they are swollen with self-righteous belief in their unerring and forever unchallengeable judgment...... They think they know everything, and can judge everything and everyone, but they know nothing and are fit to judge nothing and no one.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 09:42
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
My guess is that, provided you donít live your life in the public eye, BLM probably arenít telling you to do very much.

I hear everything that people are saying about the unnecessary proliferation of cancel culture (Iím not starting the dogís grave chat again) but avoiding social media (Pprune is my only vice) and not allowing yourself to get too excited by what you read in the news means that your life will probably change very little.

I think I must be a Benjamin Button type phenomenon. Instead of becoming more grumpy and Conservative as I age I actually find myself mellowing a lot more and adopting more of a Ďlive and let liveí mentality.

BV
It is not about living your life in the public eye though. I watch football, F1, Cricket etc. Lewis Hamilton is bringing more politics in to his sport. He is making inflammatory comments about those drivers who do not take the knee. He a massive following on Twitter, Instagram etc. As, undoubtedly the most outstanding driver of this generation(ever), his words carry a lot of weight.
Before every football match, in the Premier League, footballers are expected to kneel. BLM badges are seen on their strip, the same for cricketers. Football already has an official brand for expelling racism within football, Kick it Out.

No-one wants to see any form of racism. Is all this BLM having a more divisive effect than good?
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 10:05
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This whole virtue signalling things is completely mad, but it's the way social media "stars" get more "followers", and "followers" mean MONEY, lots of it. In the case of people like Hamilton, much of his income comes from advertising and sponsorship deals, and is therefore directly tied to the number of "followers" he has on social media, as they are the targets for the advertisers, as well as his popularity in the main stream media. If anyone in a position like this fails to comply with the demands of any popular pressure group they may well face being "unfollowed" by enough people to cause their sponsors to think again. We've already seen this with major advertisers choosing to boycott Facebook, and other social media platforms, for failing to rapidly condemn any content that doesn't fall into line with the latest pressure group demands.

We live in an age where short term, loud, minority pressure groups can, and do, strongly influence everything we are exposed to, be that creating bias in the media or getting governments and leaders to do things as knee-jerk reactions. It's not democratic, as the numbers of people involved in these pressure groups is a very small proportion of the population. To some extent this trend has always existed, but the big difference now is that pretty much every major media outlet is now at the beck and call of any small activist group that manages to gain traction via social media. Big media needs advertisers, too, and they cannot afford to buck any popular trend for fear of losing large amounts of income. The exception might be media organisations that are either state sponsored, or sponsored via non-advertising income, but the reality is that even these are heavily influenced by what other media outlets do. The BBC being perhaps the most obvious example, it now seems to just follow the current main stream media trends. The Guardian might be a media outlet that could be somewhat independent, given that it's run by a trust, but as it's always just been a mouthpiece for socialists politics it's unlikely to do anything that might offend those perpetually looking for offence in anything and everything.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 10:26
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I notice that Hamilton has had nothing to say about the involvement of Mercedes and Boss in WW2 and their use of slave labour when making their products.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 10:43
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Here is a little bit of fresh air on BLM - a black man talking a lot of good sense on the way we seem no longer able to have rational debates on important subjects without retreating into polarised positions. It is worth watching:-

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Old 21st Jul 2020, 10:50
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Skydiver... I asked LH directly that question... no reply. It would be detrimental to him to acknowledge that part of history. I also asked him why he felt it OK to say that those drivers who don't 'take the knee' do not understand the issue... furthermore, he says he is unhappy that they do not 'take the knee'. I pointed out to him that it was ironic that he was berating people for not acting in the manner that he personally wanted them to. Of course, LH is too busy to reply
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 11:09
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I do hope that Mr LH has fully researched the Barbary Pirates, the Greeks and the Romans about slavery.

According to HMG, there are 3% of the UK population from Afro + Caribbean back ground.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 11:24
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
The BLM movement exist because black lives don't seem to matter.

Concerns for black lives goes back before the USA was founded.

A bit like Halloween. An import?
BLM is a very recent invention with a Marxist agenda.
England woke up to the abhorrent slave trade and banned it from the empire long before many others.
Since then things have gradually improved, maybe not as fast as they should, but today regardless of your colour, religion or sex we all get free health care, education and have laws in place to prevent discrimination.

Halloween - you know exactly what I meant, the demanding with menaces type event that it's now morphed into and not the ghost stories and parlour games of yore.

It's still a divisive movement and does nothing but split people into smaller and smaller groups - divide and conquer if you will.
I think we all agree that racism shouldn't be tolerated.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 11:29
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Anyone read this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752

Interesting statement; "It would be unfair to judge a 19th Century man by 21st Century principles.".
And yet anyone who is white is fair game.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Filler Dent View Post
Anyone read this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752

Interesting statement; "It would be unfair to judge a 19th Century man by 21st Century principles.".
And yet anyone who is white is fair game.
I think she is getting on a band wagon.

Slavery stopped in 1888. She is 36? Her great grandfather. He could only have been a 'business' man for a few years - max.

Edit: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani is 44

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Old 21st Jul 2020, 12:44
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I think she is getting on a band wagon.

Slavery stopped in 1888. She is 36? Her great grandfather. He could only have been a 'business' man for a few years - max.

Good spot. I'm more than 30 years older than her and my great grandfather was born in 1852, so would have been about 36 when slavery in the USA was abolished (slavery had been abolished here many decades earlier). It seems highly improbable that her great grandfather could possibly have been involved in the supply of slaves to the USA.
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